Knowledge question

[Mother]

I want to build a 363 small block Ford. It uses a Windsor 351, bored to 427 and sleeved to 363. Then Z- heads from Ford, and the induction is by Inglese, with 51 mm bodies, including the computers for control. I hope to use a roller cam, and the long block Ford 6007 crate with the z cam. From what I have been reading, this is doable for around 21,000 Cdn. McCloud nilon clutch, quicktime bell housing, and a Temec TKO 600 with a .82 fifth gear. The rear end is a Kurrey 9 inch, with 3.70 finals, and an Auburn ratchet spool, with Strange tapered axles. The unit will need a 17 inch pin drive to mount a 335 35R/17 tire with a maximum tire height of 26 inches. A floating 4 link set-up, and coil overs. The 4 inch tube frame will have the strength to hold it, without twisting the frame into a pretzel.

The engine will produce 500 plus HP, and a max RPM of 6500. Power range kicks in about 4500. Anyone know a builder in Southern Ontario Canada who can build a reliable engine like I want built??

[bobcowan]

Originally Posted by Mother

I want to build a 363 small block Ford. It uses a Windsor 351, bored to 427 and sleeved to 363.

The engine will produce 500 plus HP, and a max RPM of 6500. Power range kicks in about 4500. Anyone know a builder in Southern Ontario Canada who can build a reliable engine like I want built??

Why would you do this? What's the point? Not trying to rag on you, I just have never heard of this before. It's seems like a lot of expense in custom parts and machine work, to reach the same end goals as any standard small block stroker.

[Three Peaks]

I'm with Bob here. Except for having something unique, what is there to gain? Any good crate engine will at least match, if not surpass any gains you can get with your combination for about half the cost.
The Z heads and Inglese induction can be used on any small block with at least equal results, though there are better heads out there for about the same money, IMHO.
That power range doesn't seem especially street friendly. 4500-6500 is a pretty narrow power range for a car this light....

Bob

[Gaz64]

I agree with the other replies.

"bored to 427, sleeved to 363" why would you do this?

One doesn't bore a block to a certain "capacity", more than likely you would be wet sleeving the block if you took out that far.

Buy a crate stroker engine with a power guarantee.

[blykins]

I just think he got his terminology a little mixed up....

A 363 is usually a 4.125" bore aftermarket block, with a 3.400" stroke.

I ship worldwide and although I'm not sure of the CDN/USD exchange rate, I should be able to build you a lot better motor for a better price. I would absolutely skip the FMS heads, along with the antiquated Ford Racing cams.

If you're wanting a 6500 peak, I can get you above the 500hp mark.

[olddog]

If you went with the 351 C main journal size, wouldn't that engine spin to 8000 rpm, with good heads and valve train?

I would want to think I de-stroked an engine for a reason, like more rpm. I guess endurance would improve if you planned on running it at 6000 rpm all day long. I too am curious as to why build this combination, unless rules limit you.

[blykins]

If he goes with a 4.125" bore on a Dart block, the main diameter is a 302 main size....much smaller than 2.750".

[Dwight]

Dart block 4.125" bore with a 3.4" crank. equals 363 c.i.

I have a 302 with 4.03 bore and a 3.47 crank = 354 c.i. and I'm making 500 at the flywheel, est. dyno'ed at 402 rear wheel and 416 tq.

the 363 should make a little more than mine.

Great motor for a GT 40. Cam and heads for 6500 rpms. Great street motor. Don't you think??

Dwight

[Dwight]

the Dart block with a 4.125 bore has enough wall to go to 4.185" bore.

Dwight

[lovehamr]

Am I the only one here who thinks that it'd be better with a 4"+ stroke? With decent parts it could still be wound way past 6k rpm and make a butt-load more torque and HP. The only reason to go with a huge bore and then de-stroke it is to get in under a cubic inch limit. If this engine isn't headed towards some sanctioned racing then, from a performance point of view, it's nothing more than an exercise in how to spend a lot of money and reduce the possible HP.

JMHO, Steve

[CHANMADD]

If you 're gonna Rev it you nead a good Rod length/Stroke ratio. But I also cannot see the point in the above exercise........Why??

[Mother]

Well, I will have to ream out the dart block the same as a a Windsor. So, back to the thought process. I check with RCO and get a read on the prices.

It appears the answer will be to find a Canadian Cas-Car/Nascar builder to do the power plant. I wonder if there is any custom builders around Hamilton Ontario. Or, I will drop over to our local dirt track (Oshwegan) and ask around in the pits.

Thank you for the answers gentlemen.

Like the title asked, "Knowledge Question" Besides. There still is the question of the roller as any US supplied newly built roller car, can not be registered in Canada, or get a safety without jumping major hoops. Not even a Super Performance from B.C. can be registered in Ontario. It will not pass a DOT inspection. When the DOT sees the word "Kit" in sentence, the answer is "Dream on! Not happening"

Insurance, well that is another heart rendering story. Part of the cost of the insurance is supplying your first born to be indentured for a minimum of 10 years.