Here You Go Chas. - The Finest Fluoroelastomer

[rodneym]

Well, if weight savings is what you're after, you gotta go whole hog - Halibrands with BB's.
Mixing bias and radials with mags and ally with weight in mind isn't gonna get you far.
Stick with the Trigos, especially now that we've come to the point of manufacturing patina....and preserving it ... but for God's sake, mount some Avons on there.
Being on the East coast, you're gonna have to stay up late to get those numbers. I won't get home until 9 (PST) tonight and even then I have to remember.
And on top of that, remember some fancy equation that will end up turning Archimedes in his grave.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by rodneym

...especially now that we've come to the point of manufacturing patina....and preserving it ...

OK, I read that as really saying "patrickt, your wheels are absolutely gorgeous. They look even better than real mags. You and Chas have outdone yourselves."

[rodneym]

That made me LOL!

...and when I made lemonade out of lemons you said I was capitulating.

That response was gold. Fool's gold, but gold.

[ERA Chas]

A. Do not even think my sense of aesthetics in the same thought as your shop-class rube projects on the roll bars and underhood.
B. Let poor Rodney alone; I think your Trigo weights and my mag numbers are very representative.
C. Just put the freakin' Avons on.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

A. Do not even think my sense of aesthetics in the same thought as your shop-class rube projects on the roll bars and underhood.
B. Let poor Rodney alone; I think your Trigo weights and my mag numbers are very representative.
C. Just put the freakin' Avons on.

Let's not forget that carefully crafted third brake light. Well, OK... you're the brains in this twosome -- I'm just the lackey following instructions as best I can.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Let's not forget that carefully crafted third brake light. Well, OK... you're the brains in this twosome -- I'm just the lackey following instructions as best I can.

Patrick uses the "shades" emoticon so much that I'm starting to think it's the blind leading the blind around here. I still see little to no difference in Patrick's patina-ing of his Trigo.

As for bias play BB's, uh, no thanks. I prefer the V-rated Avons when it comes time to change the tires. And I'll stay with my Trigo's since, well, er, I have NO CHOICE.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I still see little to no difference in Patrick's patina-ing of his Trigo.

...

And I'll stay with my Trigo's since, well, er, I have NO CHOICE.

That's because you don't want to see a difference. And I'm taking credit for saving you five big ones by debunking the "lighter mags will make such a change" crock-o-shi*.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

And I'm taking credit for saving you five big ones by debunking the "lighter mags will make such a change" crock-o-shi*.

Just another case of East Coast bias, just like ESPN.

I've picked up both types of wheels before and there is a weight difference. Maybe you and Chas both "threw back" a few extra oysters at the oyster bar that day. There's no chance I would believe the stats provided by you guys in whatever unscientific methods you used.

BTW, if Fran or Halibrand someday make a batch of mags and if somehow I can figure out the correct backspacing measurements so that they fit my Kirkham, then I'm still a buyer of mag wheels. They look cool and are lighter than aluminum.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... if somehow I can figure out the correct backspacing measurements so that they fit my Kirkham, then I'm still a buyer of mag wheels. They look cool and are lighter than aluminum.

Just pull of those phonies you have on and measure the back space! Of course, that would require OPENING the garage door...
Or ask David.
Or send them to David if you ever get a set -PUN INTENDED!
Erister Bar ehhhh??

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

JOf course, that would require OPENING the garage door...

Look. I opened the garage door just yesterday. So there! Why all the fussing over my driving habits.

Now, of course, I only gave grass, plants and trees some extra watering time by turning the sprinkler system program on. But hey, that counts doesn't it.

[rodneym]

I noticed patrickt isn't logged in.
He must have knocked off early.
I figured he would have stayed up for the results.

[rodneym]

First let me state that the Trigos are brand new, from their new (1.5 - 2 years old) tooling. These may vary from previous Trigos.
My Halibrands are either from the 2000ish or 1990ish run, I'm not sure. They have the same color as Chas'. (BTW Chas, the backs on mine are machined too, they just don't have that freshly machined look yours do ).
Also, my bath scale is digital but certainly not certified. What matters here is their relative weight.

And the envelope, please....

Trigos:
Front: 19.4 lbs
Rear: 20 lbs (very surprised by that tiny difference. I did it 3 times)
Total: 78.8 lbs

Halibrands:
Front: 16.2 lbs
Rear: 18 lbs
Total: 68.4 lbs

For a total difference of....
10.4 lbs of unsprung weight, or (Rodknock, Chas, are you ready for this?)...
EXACTLY 1.0 extra roll bars (padding included).

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

First let me state that the Trigos are brand new, from their new (1.5 - 2 years old) tooling. These may vary from previous Trigos.
My Halibrands are either from the 2000ish or 1990ish run, I'm not sure. They have the same color as Chas'. (BTW Chas, the backs on mine are machined too, they just don't have that freshly machined look yours do ).
Also, my bath scale is digital but certainly not certified. What matters here is their relative weight.

And the envelope, please....

Trigos:
Front: 19.4 lbs
Rear: 20 lbs (very surprised by that tiny difference. I did it 3 times)
Total: 78.8 lbs

Halibrands:
Front: 16.2 lbs
Rear: 18 lbs
Total: 68.4 lbs

For a total difference of....
10.4 lbs of unsprung weight, or (Rodknock, Chas, are you ready for this?)...
EXACTLY 1.0 extra roll bars (padding included).

Hey, 10 lbs are 10 lbs. A 13% weight reduction. That's definitely worth $5K to me. I still want them.....someday.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by rodneym

And the envelope, please....

Trigos:
Front: 19.4 lbs
Rear: 20 lbs (very surprised by that tiny difference. I did it 3 times)
Total: 78.8 lbs

Halibrands:
Front: 16.2 lbs
Rear: 18 lbs
Total: 68.4 lbs

For a total difference of....
10.4 lbs of unsprung weight, or (Rodknock, Chas, are you ready for this?)...
EXACTLY 1.0 extra roll bars (padding included).

Well there you go. Thanks.

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hey, 10 lbs are 10 lbs. A 13% weight reduction. That's definitely worth $5K to me. I still want them.....someday.

C'mon, you realize that 10 lbs is just a gallon and a half of gasoline? Yes, I know it's sprung v. unsprung, but I stand by the fact that you can not tell the difference of shaving a little over two pounds per wheel. But, if it makes you happy, and if you promise to be good for the rest of the year, maybe we'll all chip in and buy you set for Hanukkah....

[ERA Chas]

I'm very surprised that your mags are noticeably lighter than mine. Mine were from the 1990 sets-near the end. Yours being from the later batch may account for a change of alloy or construction-I just don't know. There were two different foundries I believe but never could trace their origins. Mine were from when Barry Blackburn (sp?) owned the company.
Chime in if you know some Halibrand company history after Ted.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by patrickt

But, if it makes you happy, and if you promise to be good for the rest of the year, maybe we'll all chip in and buy you set for Hanukkah....

BS!
We'd have to chip-in just to afford the NuVite he'll need!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Chime in if you know some Halibrand company history after Ted.

Here's Halibrand's history for the last 6 years (2007-2013): n/a

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Here's Halibrand's history for the last 6 years (2007-2013): n/a

Yes-knew that.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

But, if it makes you happy, and if you promise to be good for the rest of the year, maybe we'll all chip in and buy you set for Hanukkah....

Christmas, my birthday or even today, Administrative Professionals Day, would be fine too.

As I said, if they were available, then 2.5 lbs (+/-) per corner works for me.

[rodneym]

I'm going to see if I can borrow a small shipping scale from work and do it again.

There's also a fairly decent history of Halibrand on the HAMB. Might be worth searching.