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View Poll Results: New Shelby Aluminum 427 vs. Old 427 s/o
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11-11-2002, 07:52 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: SOLD: 2013 Boss 302 Mustang #2775 (both options). SOLD: 95 Mustang Cobra R #4 of 250 "Rosie's Diner" car. SOLD: CCX2-2505, #5 of 7 289 FIAs ever produced at Contemporary! my first Cobra: Unique 427SC w/ 428CJ moder!
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Rick,
Don't judge a book by its cover...Racer X is actually a really nice guy....opinionated like the rest of us, but still a great guy.
Come find out for yourself next season at one of the track events we're going to.
...now the argument originally posed here????
This is what I wanted to see compared FIRST before any BB vs. SB debate continues....I think the new aluminum 427 (and current technologies) may offer a lot more than the original iron motors IMHO. The Iron block may be stronger in some respects, but I think the aluminum block may (in time) offer a better alternative.
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11-11-2002, 10:31 AM
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I would take the aluminum block and its better oiling over the steel block and its maybe, and I mean maybe, better longevity. Most motors that break, like over 80%, break because of oiling problems. By the time the aluminum block breaks, you will have had to thrash it unmercifully. Now, if you don't beat your motor constantly, the steel block is fine. If you don't believe me, ask Evan. Scott
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11-11-2002, 10:54 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Cobra #273, 427 S/O, ERA GT-40 #2057, Excalibur Cobra.
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UH HUH !!!!
HEY MIKE - -
NO QUESTION OR DOUBT HERE: I'LL TAKE THE IRON BLOCK ANY DAY.
PROBABLY BECAUSE - - - - - - -
I, TOO AM "OLD - - OVERPRICED - - RUSTED - - MACHINED - - TWEAKED - - AND ORIGINAL". NOT TO MENTION A HELL OF A LOT OLDER THAN "30+".
Y'ALL HAVE A REALLY GREAT DAY,
BLACKJACK
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11-11-2002, 11:16 AM
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Skewed vote
If I can remember correctly...
The vote started out "approx" 7 for alum 3 or 4 for Iron, then suddenly in about 30.min time the vote changed to 7 for alumin. and 427 for Iron. (notice the 427 number)
Obviously the vote is WAY off. By about 420 votes so taking that into consideration, It appears that the majority opinion of this fourm is Alum.
GOOD CHOICE
Brent, can you look into this? Apparently this thread has sparked some intrest, it sure would be nice to know the REAL vote count... |
11-11-2002, 11:20 AM
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2nd poll
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11-11-2002, 11:33 AM
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Bill,
Only 14 have voted I would like to see the original one fixed.
I think it is pathetic for people to cheat just to see things go thier way.
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11-11-2002, 11:36 AM
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Rick Lake: Your obviously an expert on all things mechanical and military. You have provided 0 in substantive responses to my last post. Just insults. Feel better?
Enjoy your 428 stroked aluminum block FI Supercharged motor. I'll enjoy mine my old rusty has been motor.
As far as not wanting to meet. Ditto. Have a nice day.
John: Thanks for your kind words as usual. People don't have to agree with me. Thats OK. However, somehow people think I should be agreeing with them.
Jeff: What is an official time? What is unofficial. He was timed at 13.8. No one disputes this or ever has until you. Do you have any info that Miles didn't do it in 13.8 sec?
Sometimes people don't always prefer the newer and better item and prefer the original. Whats "better" may not be the same as to what most prefer.
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...In town the Rangers replaced the 47th Armored infantry battalion, 8th Division. Three Ranger lieutenants showed up at the 47th's CP. "They asked for the enemy positions and the road to take... They stopped and said, "Lets go men.' . We heard the tommy guns click and without a word, the Rangers moved out. Our morale went up in a hurry."
Stephen E. Ambrose- Citizen Soldiers
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11-11-2002, 11:36 AM
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Mike, Pathetic, I think not! If you're not cheating, you're not trying!
Cheers, Pete
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11-11-2002, 11:37 AM
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Rick Lake: Your obviously an expert on all things mechanical and military. You have provided 0 in substantive responses to my last post. Just insults. Feel better?
Enjoy your 428 stroked aluminum block FI Supercharged motor. I'll enjoy my old rusty has been motor.
As far as not wanting to meet. Ditto. Have a nice day.
John: Thanks for your kind words as usual. People don't have to agree with me. Thats OK. However, somehow people think I should be agreeing with them.
Jeff: What is an official time? What is unofficial. He was timed at 13.8. No one disputes this or ever has until you. Do you have any info that Miles didn't do it in 13.8 sec?
Sometimes people don't always prefer the newer and better item and prefer the original. Whats "better" may not be the same as to what most prefer.
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...In town the Rangers replaced the 47th Armored infantry battalion, 8th Division. Three Ranger lieutenants showed up at the 47th's CP. "They asked for the enemy positions and the road to take... They stopped and said, "Lets go men.' . We heard the tommy guns click and without a word, the Rangers moved out. Our morale went up in a hurry."
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11-11-2002, 12:03 PM
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Come on Evan, I'm just playing with you. You leave yourself wide open (just look at the responses you get!)...I couldn't resist!
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11-11-2002, 12:48 PM
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Evan H SEE you cannot even get my info right. ERA 428 452 alum FI. I have not seen a 428 stroked alum motor Fi superchargered motor.  My car is 428 id# like my block witch is csx 52 The info is right in front and you still are having problems. I am a ASE GM Master tech not Ford. I read alot and talk to people like Rick Kopec Dick Smith Lynn Parks and others and draw my own conclusions about something. As far as military I am still learning. Seal teams 2 and 8 are you know where. If you have a little time and want to learn something new try James"Patches" Watson web site,I work with his son and had dinner. The black ops he didfor this country like the rangers are all important. I didn't ask how many rangers washed out and become SEALS, but I bet Seals that washed out became rangers. THIS IS ALL ON THIS POINT. ALL the MILITARY is Vital to this country. I missed Vietnam by 6 weeks. I would have went but not been happy. I like being able to think on my own. I tryed to get a 427 So and found most had problems see other mail. He do not have to agree but I make an effort to try and get the fact correct. I person starts a lie and before you know it, It's the Gods truth. Just look at Germany. The Jewish people didn't help themselves, but shouldn't have been gased. I live in a Jewish town East Brunswick and sometimes I get bad at their crap but would not kill one of them. They stay to themselves with curtain things and thats OK. I would have to pass on the hole in the sheet thing.  I only go to the NERC and Run&Gun. This is all a can afford for vacation due to work. I sure people donot agree with either one of us OK Facts are still facts. I like old car and jeeps, if you call the early 70's old. Old stuff is tested and worked, then new stuff picks the ball up and runs on. We both LOVE cobras and FE motors, just different composites. Rick Lake
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11-11-2002, 02:01 PM
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Evan, I for one have always wonderd if even the great ken Miles could go 0 to 100 and back in 13.8 seconds. But, since your cobra is as exact as you can get to an original, all we have to do is time yor cobra, exactly as it sits( you can remove the cd player), and see what your time is. You can even get Dick Smith or Don Prudome to drive it for you. I bet it takes you longer than 13.8 to do it. Scott
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11-11-2002, 02:15 PM
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Rick Lake: Ok. I agree. We are both FE fans but of different composites. Thats fair.
I don't think any Rangers wash out to become SEALs. Ones Army the other Navy.
I know that many Rangers aspire to join the DELTA squads.
SEALs and DELTA are similar in their use and applications. Covert ops and black ops. This is my understanding. Not that I am an expert in this area though.
Rangers serve a different purpose. The Ranger moto "Rangers lead the way" was as I remember coined in WWII in light of the Rangers expertise in beach assaults and special assault missions. SEALs and DELTA don't see much action in major battles and assaults. Again my understanding. Rangers in training and capabilities are supposed to be the elite of the major infantry forces.
BTW I appreciate your tolerance of the Jews.  Just out of curiousity, what crap goes on in E. Brunswick that gets you mad.
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...In town the Rangers replaced the 47th Armored infantry battalion, 8th Division. Three Ranger lieutenants showed up at the 47th's CP. "They asked for the enemy positions and the road to take... They stopped and said, "Lets go men.' . We heard the tommy guns click and without a word, the Rangers moved out. Our morale went up in a hurry."
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11-11-2002, 02:43 PM
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Rick Lake,
Joe Rodomista and Don Durner are both Crankoids and I run with those two all summer. You have been invited to come run with us but you choose to do your racing elsewhere. I choose to do my ball busting right here.
I again invite you to join us at the Glen or Summit Point or VIR. I guarantee you will have just as much fun if not more hanging and racin with the crankoids.
No trophys but lots of laughs and even more booze.
BTW, I agree with you on Charlie Weston, as he was trained by the guys that do John McMahons and my motors.(Hoffman Machine)
Cranky 
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11-11-2002, 04:25 PM
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Evan:
An official time is done with a fifth wheel. The 13.8 sec. time has been disputed for many years. If you look at the time that cars do it in today, and take into consideration the tires they had in the 60's, it is very doubtful.
If Miles did it, how was it timed, and who did the test? SAI?
I would believe it if Road and Track, or Car and Driver (I think they were around back then) did the test themselves. Show me one of these, and I would call that official.
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11-11-2002, 04:32 PM
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I know I've read the time in various places. How it was recorded I have not the slightest. I seem to remember, however, the old car magizine articles such as Car & Driver etc.. have also referred to it with none challenging it. It nevertheless is part of the "legend".
Cal Metal also indicated that the 427 was capable of such a time especially with Miles driving. I tend to agree.
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...In town the Rangers replaced the 47th Armored infantry battalion, 8th Division. Three Ranger lieutenants showed up at the 47th's CP. "They asked for the enemy positions and the road to take... They stopped and said, "Lets go men.' . We heard the tommy guns click and without a word, the Rangers moved out. Our morale went up in a hurry."
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11-11-2002, 04:51 PM
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It might have been done, but still very doubtful. BTW, was Miles a drag racer? He was a brilliant road racer, but a drag racer? Please, there were many more people capable of doing the 0-100-0 time than him.
The 13.8 sec. 0-100-0 time is a number that has been around for ever that everybody tkes for granted. Magazines may have stated thes numbers also, but they were fed to them, not actually tested by them.
Car companies in the 60's were known for providing "ringer" cars to be tested. Lets say the time was real. Was it with a full comp. car?
Lets put some period correct tires on your car aand try it.
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11-11-2002, 04:56 PM
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So you concede it was could've been done but you doubt it. Why?
As to me trying it. No way. I'm lucky to do it in 25 seconds. Speed is scary. 
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...In town the Rangers replaced the 47th Armored infantry battalion, 8th Division. Three Ranger lieutenants showed up at the 47th's CP. "They asked for the enemy positions and the road to take... They stopped and said, "Lets go men.' . We heard the tommy guns click and without a word, the Rangers moved out. Our morale went up in a hurry."
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11-11-2002, 04:57 PM
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The Stuff of Legends
Jeff,
First the Easter bunny and now this? I need to cling to this belief, it is a part of the legend that has always drawn me to the Cobra. I've heard it and seen it in more than one car magazine as a benchmark against which modern cars are judged. Just this once I want to believe and agree with Evan!
Cheers, Pete
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11-11-2002, 05:08 PM
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I would like to belive it also. Somebody please show me a copy of the actual test, PLEASE!!
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