aluminum tunnel port

[SFfiredog]

she's gonna be 504 ci!

[snakeboy]

Where did you get it and how much???? :-)

[A Snake]

Better stock up on the raw meat! you're going to need it to feed that animal!

What I'd have given for one of those in the 60's! Aluminum art!!

Al

[Sal Gerace]

I'll be right back after I change my underware!

[Turk]

If aluminum is sooo good, why the steel engine stand?
Haha!

TURK
Mike, if you need someone to help you with the carburation let me know.

[ac andy]

A very fine piece of work, almost looks too good to put in a car!

[Jeff Frigo]

What is the bore and stroke? My guess is 4.234 x 4.480. Also, are those Dove heads?

[750hp]

Considering I know exactly "0" about FEs it's probably a stupid question, but is that timing cover the same style as a sprint car small block (ie made for a camshaft driven dry sump pump)?

[Aussie Mike]

Craig, it looks like a good place to bolt a distributor after dropping a 12-71 Littlfield blower on top of it.

Cheers

[RICK LAKE]

SFspitfire dog Now you did it!! Turk is going to get upset. You are hogging all the 427 SO blocks Be careful Turk will find you. Nice motor collection. I have the same question, who's timing chain cover?? I like the lower flat face on it. Was this for a motor plate to the front?? Rick Lake

[SFfiredog]

Hi guys,
The bore is 4.32 and the stroke is 4.3. It will have a Scat billet crank with Manley pro-beam rods.
The timing cover is an old Nicson boat cover. I am using a distributorless (Electromotive) 8-port EFI so to eliminate the bronze gear needed (because of the solid roller cam) to drive the oil pump I will be running a Peterson external oil pump with pan vacuum evacuation off of the front of the cam.
The water pump is a 55gpm Mezierie electric that is mounted into the bottom of the radiator. Two -12 an lines feed the coolant into the front of the block. I'm putting the final touches on the hand built EFI tunnel port manifold that will support the 58 mm TWM/Weber throttle bodies. Yes, those are Dove heads! Dove may be the next bird(Pheonix) to rise from the ashes. I had called Earl at Dove to cancel my order (after sending back two sets that were junk). I had been waiting 5 months. He told me that he just shipped my heads and low and behold they showed up that day.
And they looked GOOD! I called Earl back and to thank him. He told me that they are using a new foundry and have changed several things in their finishing techniques. The heads were pressure tested after basic machining and then again after final machining. There are 2 very small areas of casting imperfections but nothing to get excited about. I will pressure test them myself to be safe. I was willing to take a bullet for the club but it looks like it paid off. Dove has enough confidence in their "new" heads that they put them back up on their website.
I will keep all of you informed as progress on the heads and the whole motor continues.
Cheers,
--Mike

[bmalone]

Hey Mike, that is a work of art. One outstanding job. Nothing brings a smile to my face like seeing those huge, gaping intake ports, in aluminum, no less. How about some pics of the EFI unit.

[RICK LAKE]

SFfiredog Mike the motors are great, do 1 small favor jack the motors up to take the stress of the block. I let a motor sit like this for 5 months and the rear bores after machine work were .0021 out of round. It was a 302 ford. The top pro stock racers DON"T use engine stand that mount like that. The new stands that bolt to the motor mounts are the better way to go. Just a thought. You are building top quality motors. What cams are you using with Speed pro and the 58 TWM's. 1 other point your fuel lines are small for your motor. I have a 452FE with Speed-pro, 55 lbs without the supercharger running and 72 lbs with 45psi at idle and 70 at WOT. I have 2 255 liter pumps in the fuel tank, both with #10 lines going to the rails and a #8 return. You need volume more than pressure with your motor. A lean out sucks. It's just a thought. I learned the hard way Rick Lake

[Tom Decker]

Beautiful Beautiful Beautiful I've been doing alot of research over the last few mouths, because Iam building the same set up on a all aluminum windsor. Two things, If your going to spend that much $ on a induction system your cheating yourself if you dont go true sequential. To have true sequential you MUST have a crank trigger and a cam sync pulse (a second signal generated at what used to be the distributor) Second, do yourself a favor and call Kinsler 248-362-1145 about their IR system. NO guessing with sizing or setup, with these people it's close to an exact sciense. They will combine their IR system and TEC3 electronics, flow the entire system on bench with your engine spec's, and calibrate the TEC3. You bolt it on and then make minor adjustments. They really impressed me, everyone else seems to sell what they have 58mm or maybe 52mm or if that doesn't work we may have some 48mm's. 3in horns or maybe 5in. No experimetation with Kinsler. I also going with the TEC3 electronics but note I don't believe it's wide band O2 capable.

[bonyhadi]

mind blowing engine

[Mohuska]

Tom....I spoke to Electromotive about their lack of wide band O2 capability...They said that they will have a unit available by the middle of Jan 2003......

Point of disagreement.....I have spoken to Shiv Pathak, one of the most knowledgeable Tech3 persons...he emphatically says that phased sequential works equally well....He says that you get a little cooling with the shot of gas on the exhaust stroke and will Dyno your car both ways to show you that it will work just fine....

Regarding the Tech3 as a side bar......Does anyone besides MSD make a Distributor plug to drive the oil pump without the need for a distributor....as the Tech3 requires??\

[RICK LAKE]

Tom Decker Hi Tom, You should check with who ever you are going to use for your FI. FAST is the only true Sequential brain on the market that goes to 10,000rpm. Most ECM's go to batch fire at a certain rpm, I think it's 3000 rpm. My speed-pro was 3,000$ 3 years ago. The full sequential box was 5,200$. You do not need wideband unless you are running NOS or supercharging. Check around befor you buy something you don't need. I have both a cranktrigger and distributor signal for my system. I like the fuel and timing control of each cylinder. MSD will make a dual pickup distributor if you talk to one of the techs. It seems that the top housings are the same between single and double pickup's. Good luck Rick Lake

[SFfiredog]

Hi Guys,
Thanks for your imput.
As far as the engine stand issue. Both of the 427s in the photo are empty. No intenal parts so the stress on the block is minimal to nothing. I never finish assemble an engine until it is ready to go in the car. Engines are like French bread. They both go "stale" if they sit around too long unused. I can see your point on "flexi-flyer" blocks like 289/302 (especially late model 5.0s) and the paper thin Cleveland blocks that Bob Glidden had to contend with. I friend that was on a Pro/stock team in the late '70s remembers seeing Etta and Bob Glidden assembling one of their motors on the bed in their motel room! The next day they were #1 qualifier and won the event. I talked with an old Nascar engine builder about engine stand block distortion and he told me They would see .00025 to .00035 distortion in the rear cylinders but after a short practice session they pulled a motor down and found that after one "heat cycle" run in, the bores were back to their original machined shape. I have checked 429/ 460s and 427s on the stand and found virtually no cylinder distortion, even after sitting awhile. I guess the deep skirts of the FE and sheer massivness of the 460 prevents distortion.
As far as engine managment is concerned, I have used most of the major brands and they all have goods and badsI set up all my own baseline programs based off of BSFC, engine demand, lbs fuel per hr, etc and have had no problems dialing in a system.
I have access to a chassis dyno with wide band O2 capability. I have not purchased the TEC3 for my motor yet as I am waiting for the wide band option. I am running a crank trigger and my cam sensor will run off of the end of my external oil pump which is run off the end of the cam. I have also used a MSD distributor with the advance curve locked out and 7 of the 8 triggers cut off the reluctor wheel in the distributor for a cam sensor. I works great. For my own cars I like the tunability of a true sequential system but in truth most combinations will perform just fine with a multipule deg or straight bank-to-bank system.
--Mike

[750hp]

What's a wide-band TEC3 going to cost?