Shelby Aluminum

[RICK LAKE]

steel comp There are 2 motor I know of that are maken over 600hp and tork to the rear wheels, 108 race fuel due to the compression on these motors. Wayne Turpin has one. The other is a black ERA with webers. Both run all motor. Both run 10.0 in the 1/4 mile. This year will be the 9.0 second run for one of them. Kuntz built one, I don't know who did the other. Both have over 11.0-1 compression. We are all waiting for the dyno pulls from Sizzler to see the numbers on his motor. You will have to look for the other thread on this on going war. If the air to fuel reads 13.5 this motor is running lean and mean, too lean for me. The printout is very hard to read. The truth will come out soon. Rick Lake

[CSX 4027]

Questions.
What intake?
What Compression?
What gas used?
How come the top show data sheet 23 lines? Where is the rest of the columns?

fuzzy more than warm in my opinion

[jwoodard]

Intake is an Edelbrock RPM Performer
Compression is 10.8 - 1
Fuel - high octane
The 23 lines of data are from 4100 rpm - 6300 rpm
What other columns?

[steelcomp]

I'm sory, guys, but there's just something fundamentally wrong here. I've been doing this for way too long with the best hardware in the business and the parts don't add up to the performance, no matter who builds them.

You have <100% VE on an engine with 496 ci, a single 4 bbl, Edelbrock dual plane (Performer RPM...still a dual plane) which I can believe, especially on an FE. It's lean, all right. But at the same time making 660 hp with 10.8:1? And old school machined horseshoe style chambers? And FE ports? Edelbrock didn't change them that much! And you can't port what aint there!There's a physical impossibility going on here, and I hope someone gets to the bottom of it. For all your sakes. I don't even want to argue the point, because if someone's going to argue the point, they aren't going to listen anyway. You're being duped. And we're still talking about Ewing's 482" motor making >760 hp! I'm not listening to any more of this crap.

[steelcomp]

By the way, the scfm and the ve don't add up either

[Cracker]

Steelcomp - must read for you.

KCR's Doubting Thomas'

[CSX 4027]

This sheet shows nothing.

WHAT ARE THE VARIABLES?
OIL TEMP COLUMN - NOT THERE
WATER TEMP COLUMN - NOT THERE
VAPOR PRESSURE-HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW--NOT THERE
BAROMETRIC READING - NOT THERE
RPMS PER SECOND- NOT THERE
CAT TEMPS - NOT THERE
NO SPECIFIC GRAVITY FOR FUEL - HI OCTANE STATED BUT NO NUMBER?
THIS MOTOTR COULD HAVE BEEN DYNOED IN THE EYE OF A HURRICANE AND THEN CORRECTED 200HP
Lets see the Uncorrected sheet too.
Are any of you aware of what can be shown on a dyno sheet by changing the vapor pressures?
If you don't believe me, call Superflow yourself.
This dyno sheet is like watching the conclusion to a movie without seeing the beginning or middle.
I have a Cobra for sale. It runs great, it can be had at below market but, you have to promise me not to look under the hood, EVER

YA WANNA BUY BRIDGE OR SOME SWAMP LAND?

[steelcomp]

Cracker,
I didn't take time to read the entire 6! pages of the thread you suggested, but clearly there's a lot of doubt. Unfortunately your test isn't going to prove anything. Cubic inches =HP. A 427 is a big small block by comparison, and has a restrictive bore size right off the bat. I don't doubt that the 482 and 496 engines could make 600 hp, just not with 10:1 and idling at 800 rpm. All he's going to do is rebuild your motor, maybe get another 30 or 40 hp out of it, it will be that percentage less reliable and drivable, and he'll dyno it straight up, so there won't be any variation on the other dyno, and say, "see, I told you!" The HP won't be any thing like these other motors, and he'll just claim it's because of the cubic inches. What needs to be done is take one of these motors like Ewing's that was already dyno'd with their inflated no.'s to an independant dyno, and see if the same no.'s come up. That would be the only true test. Simple.
Contemporary state of the art race motors from Ford Racing were getting all they could wring out of these motors with exotic gasolines, huge roller cams, 14:1, and fuel injection, just to get high 600 hp ratings...maybe 700 with the TP heads, and turning them 7000. And these engines were hand grenades! Pull the pin, light 'em off, and hope they made it to the end of the race. The engines are basically the same today. No one has really come up with a "better" head. The castings are limited, and so are the dimensions of the engine. They were pretty crude back then, but things haven't changed enough in the FE world to have ONE GUY, out of all the rest, be getting such drastically different results. It stinks, and untill someone takes Ewing's 760+hp 10.5:1 800rpm idle 482"motor and dyno it somewhere else and get within 10%!, I'll never be convinced.

[steelcomp]

Steve,
Easy, buddy! Take a breath, your heart can't take it. There's nothing personal, here. It's not that important. If some guy wants to get a bunch of business by selling inflated motor numbers to other guys who wouldn't know the difference, oh well. And if dyno figures are that important, which we both know they're not, then let 'em have 'em. I have more dyno time and built more 600 to 1000 hp motors than I can count. I do my own porting. I prep my own blocks. I've set up blowers. I've set up Turbos. I've worked with and for the best in the world at this stuff, and I really don't want to waste any more time here. You shouldn't either.
KitCar mentality. (Sorry, that's a personal shot, but true in my experience).

[Excaliber]

The 427 side oiler with 428 crank and .015 over bore in my ERA dynoed at 676 h.p. WITH open headers. THAT according to the book that came with the car.

Ford dual four barrel OEM intake. 1964 high riser heads. 12 to 1 compression and solid roller cam and rockers. Mean idle below 1500 rpm. Possible?

It recently ran 11.904 at 121.27 with a street tires, a bad clutch and a poor hole shot. Mid 11's are definitely possible. What kind of horse power with a 2800 pound car would that take?

[PatBuckley]

328

http://www.prestage.com/carmath/calc...TandWeight.asp

[CSX 4027]

Oh yeah?
And Andrew Daly in his 580HP Elliott powered CSX car ran 10.50.
1/4 mile time and HP does not always directly correlate unless you are John Force.

And PS.....
If I built that engine for any of you and gave you an incomplete dyno sheet like that to show, I bet there would be the first lynching in New Jersey since the Civil War.

Nuff said.
Me and steelcomp will continue to build real hp 427's for the guys that want to run their car in places other than Disneyland.

Moderator: Geez...now we have to correct your typing.

[Jamo]

Just continue to keep it to a mild roar, thank you.

[PatBuckley]

Steve -

I had no idea you built 427's!

How long have you been doing it?

Pat

[CSX 4027]

Ok, so I can't tYpE. Oh well, I can admitt that at least.

I am in business with my old engine builder. I don't build them myself. When I say I, I mean him and we, so please understand, straight shooting is my only way of doing business. Anyone that come to NJ can see our shop. We are in the process of expanding and are in the process of building 3 427's for new to be CSX owners. Bobby Pass worked for Ceralli Competitions engines in Paterson NJ for 14 years and ended his relationship with Ceralli about 18 months ago. We have an on going "best kept secret" business going on with low overhead and honest work that we stand behind and not FAR BEHIND so, if any are interested, let me know. And Yes, I am a Shelby Engine parts dealer.

Bobby builds winning dirt track engines as a main stay, not the typical show car/ resto stuff. His engines are not only durablle but win every week. I am the detail guy. So your end product looks correct and runs real HP.

[CSX 4027]

ROAR

[BANDIT 1]

I have a friend with a 1969 Mach 1 with a 427 c.i. engine putting out over 850 horsepower with 10.5:1 and a 800 rpm idle, what's the big deal?


Oh, I forgot to mention the car has a 250 horsepower nitrous system on it...

HAPPY JULY 4TH...

[Turk]

I hope there are no lynchings in NJ. If there is one , it won't be because the dyno sheet was incomplete..

It'll be because...... you have to wait, I am compiling a list

TURK

[CSX 4027]

Remember.
I live in Sopranoland,
I know a guy................

[steelcomp]

Hey Slick,
Now I can believe that, with what you describe. The bad clutch was probably helping you, and if you throw a pair of slicks on the thing it should run 10's.