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08-22-2004, 12:23 PM
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Yep, it was me who said that. That's based on what I see them sell for on ebay, and what FE engine shops sell them for. When I thought the Sidewinder was the "correct" intake for a proper Cobra engine, I was looking all over the place for them. I still see them on ebay all the time. I have never seen one sell for over 500, and 400-450 seems to be the norm. Now the correct 65 medium riser intake, which looks like a Sidewinder but with a centered carb, sell for close to 600 in nice shape. I went with the Blue Thunder intake, since it visually looks like the correct meduim rise intake, but with better performance, and cost less new than a used 40 year old Sidewinder.
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CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
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08-22-2004, 07:17 PM
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Wow...did not know there was so much to the selection of an intake!! This must be one of the BIG issues! Right now I am cranked about Blue Thunder and Edelbrock.
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08-23-2004, 12:45 PM
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Re: Thoughts on Intakes
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Originally posted by bomelia
Guys (and Gals),
I am rebuilding a 428 SCJ. Down to the last parts...heads, cam, intake and so on. I am trying to decide on the intake and am looking for advice. What intake would you choose and why?
Mike
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If you're rebuilding a 428SCJ, get a 428CJ intake, an iron medium riser. Otherwise, a Blue Thunder 1x4V, next choice Edelbrock RPM, third choice: Sidewinder.
It all depends on how original you want things to be or look. The CJ intake in iron will be the most original, and best performing, the Edelbrock and Blue Thunder intakes are basically medium risers in aluminum, and the Sidewinder is just a great all around intake, though it'll lose points for the offset positioning of the carb.
You need to let us know you intended use/application for this engine. Maybe you want an intake for a 480+" stroker, in which case the Edelbrock Victor might be able to supply your air/fuel mixture needs. Need a lot more info I think. |
08-23-2004, 01:44 PM
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Original Ford HIGH RISER 2X4 alloy intakes go for about $600-650 dollars. Thats about as rare an intake as your gonna find. I would guess an original Ford tunnel port would sell for more and be even harder to locate.
...just some thoughts on intake values.
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08-23-2004, 07:42 PM
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Well, if I go Edelbrock...I know what to get...7105 Performer RPM. Whats up with Air Gap stuff? Saw a tv show the other night where they were making a big deal about it. Also, is Permastar the same intake, just with a different finish?
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08-23-2004, 08:39 PM
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where does the H/M single 4 medium riser and the tunnel wedge stack up against the others ?
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08-23-2004, 08:54 PM
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What about a fourth option - the aluminum police interceptor intake - supposedly an alum version of the cobra jet? Any word on this?
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08-24-2004, 08:07 AM
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Yep, you can use the 428 PI intake as well. It's basically the same design as the 65 MR, BT, and Edelbrock Performer. The thing I don't like about the PI, is that it's not machined to accept the oil fill tube/breather, and requires you to use valve covers with breathers installed. They usually sell for about $400-$450 as well. Here is a 428 PI intake on ebay, that's mistakenly listed as a 427 medium rise:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...918072351&rd=1
I was quoted between $500 and $525 for an original 65 MR intake from several Ford resto places. The 428 PI intakes are all over ebay often as well.
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08-24-2004, 09:17 AM
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Read that e-bay listing...kind of odd to make an engine "concourse ready" when the body itself is a replica.
Sal Menella...that your real name or is that a play on words??
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08-24-2004, 10:28 AM
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BLUE THUNDER! can't believe no one mentioned it.
I strongly recommend the Blue Thunder 4V intake with a mighty Demon 850 with down leg boosters. Blue Thunder offers the highest quality of any intake I have seen and has an original look.
The other option is a Edlebrock Victor, The FE motor has so much torque that it will still be strong on the bottom and even stronger on top. Most engine builders will agree with this statement.
Morgan
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08-24-2004, 11:13 AM
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Morgan, I mentioned the Blue Thunder intake like 4 or 5 times .
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08-24-2004, 05:07 PM
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Market Correction Post: Not trying to brag but I just sold my "Sidewinder" to a fellow in MD who is competing in NHRA superstock and this is the ultimate legal intake of choice down to the date code - Price? try $750 + Shipping & Packing. Nice pieces go for nice prices - paitence is simply required!
Bomelia - sorry to hi-jack but since it's directly related to valuations posted in the last couple days I thought it fitting.  |
08-24-2004, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cracker
Market Correction Post: Not trying to brag but I just sold my "Sidewinder" to a fellow in MD who is competing in NHRA superstock and this is the ultimate legal intake of choice down to the date code - Price? try $750 + Shipping & Packing. Nice pieces go for nice prices - paitence is simply required!
Bomelia - sorry to hi-jack but since it's directly related to valuations posted in the last couple days I thought it fitting.
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Wasn't your Sidewinder the one with like $300 worth of HPC coating/finishwork on it, which is why you were asking so much for it?
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08-24-2004, 06:23 PM
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PowerSurge - Yes, that's why I say nice pieces go for nice prices! From the drag racers perspective they saw a little value in the potential of the ceramic coating - everything add's up I guess. You have to admit rarely do "we" hobbyist recoup our special investments like that.
Peace to ya PS - I got exactly what I was looking to get to part with it.
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08-24-2004, 08:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cracker
Market Correction Post: Not trying to brag but I just sold my "Sidewinder" to a fellow in MD who is competing in NHRA superstock and this is the ultimate legal intake of choice down to the date code - Price? try $750 + Shipping & Packing. Nice pieces go for nice prices - paitence is simply required!
Bomelia - sorry to hi-jack but since it's directly related to valuations posted in the last couple days I thought it fitting.
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Hey, I don't feel jacked at all...I learned a lot here, always do! My next project will be the heads. Anyways, I got a 7105 RPM intake off of e-bay...all I really needed. Cracker, what do you want for the pentroof covers?? E-mail me.
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08-27-2004, 08:07 AM
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Man, I hate to be a DH, but the guy who sold me the intake on e-bay has pulled what I think is a fast one. He did not post shipping charges on the bid page, and it is my fault for not thinking about that, but after the auction, he emailed shipping charges of $40. Added to the win price, that comes to $278 for a used intake. Jegs sells a new one, ground shipped for $304. I checked UPS, and shipping should not be more than $25. I realize it is not that big of a deal, but it bigs me when sellers use shipping to make money. Anyone ever shipped an intake like this? What did it cost you? Thinking about ignoring him if he does not justify his costs. Or should I just take my lumps?
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08-27-2004, 08:19 AM
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08-27-2004, 09:18 AM
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We ship UPS every day. Don't know how heavy the intake is but to ship as an example 35# to the farthest zone which would be maximum is $23.85. I think it's $1.00more if it goes to a residential address. Insurance to $100 is free. After that it's .35 cents per hundred. $2.45 would inusre it to $800.00 A box and packing are usually pretty easy to come by in my opinion. It just depends on who you're dealing with. Hope this helps.
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08-27-2004, 10:22 AM
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OK, ok, no big deal...I will buy it. Cracker, the address is in a PM to you. Can you accept PayPal for shipping charge?
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08-27-2004, 10:46 AM
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Mike-
Don't feel too bad about the shipping. I live across
the big pond and have to be real careful with the
ebay shipping - got burned on some seat belts -
sad when the price suddenly doubles due to shipping.
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PM me your mailing address and I'll swing it be the UPS Store and get a shipping quote before I send it.
Best of luck to ya and regarding the intake mine (Sidewinder) was $57 dollars which included $750 insurance ($8), $24 to ship and $25 to pack - he doesn't seem too out of line it's just your initial purchase price was kind-of-high. Look at this way - YOU WON!
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