Aviad FE Pan Capacity

[Mike Bartlett]

Does anyone know how much oil the Aviad Oil Pans hold for an FE engine? I did a search but found no capacity info.

Thanks....

Mike

[SCOBRAC]

The Aviaid pan for the FE as originially fitted to the Cobra #55410 (most common) is 9.0 quarts.

www.aviaid.com

[Mike Bartlett]

Perfect....

Thank You,

[SCOBRAC]

You replied while I was editing my post. Aviaid says 9 quarts I run about 9.5 in the pan. 12 quarts total with cooler and 2 filters.

[aviaid]

We rate the pan at 9 Qts. static in the pan. This should fill the sump up to about the underside of the hard tray bolted into the pan. We recomend that the 1st time your fill the pan in the car, with the car flat on the ground and the pan empty, you add 8 quarts and mark the stick. Add 1 more quart and mark the stick again. This is a high-low marking procedure. Then start the engine, let everything pressurize and fill, shut the engine down, and let everything drain down for a few minutes. Then measure how much to fill back up to the top mark. The total will give you system capacity. This now includes lines, filter, cooler, whatever. From that point you can adjust level to suite your requirements. Some will run a little more, some a little less, depending on usage.

[Excaliber]

The Canton road race pan (427 FE) SEEMS to be considerably less cost than an aviad.

Geroge (Gessford) has strongly advised me to go with Aviad and I'm NOT going to second guess HIS advice! He is supplying the parts for my "build" (which I am doing myself).

What justifies the additional expense of Aviad over Canton?

[luckeyds]

I run a Canton Road Race pan and I've been happy with it.

[jdog]

There must be a very good reason for this. My engine builder said the same thing. When I asked about cutting corners, (cost wise), he mentioned the Canton, but didn't recommend it.

jdog

[55312]

I suspect the primo dollars are for the aluminum. The Aviad is extremely overpriced IMHO. there are thousands of steel Canton pans out there and I find it hard to believe they are all junk. I tore a hole in my aluminum oil pan in November while driving to the shop to put it away for the winter (dirt roads and Cobras hate each other). I will never have another aluminum oil pan. Now I need to figure out if I want to go with a stock FoMoCo steel pan or a canton for my 427.........

[PatBuckley]

The only problem with that conclusion is this: Aviaid pans are made out of steel.

Aviaid was an original supplier - their quality is top notch.

[55312]

Did I say Aluminum??? I meant Platinum..............

[ENTDOC]

interesting how a thread titled" how much oil does the Aviad pan hold" turns into a lecture on how over priced they are. I would rate them as expensive,not over priced. There is a difference. chuck

[Excaliber]

... then again, maybe Canton is just cheap.

How about "Armando's Oil Pans"? A custom fabricator out of Calif.

So many choices.

[RACER X #99]

Armando's pans are replicas of Aviad pans. His ad says he worked for Aviad for 15 year building pans. I bought one for my Dart SB. Nice pan but his service sucks, he doesn't return calls and I think he builds the pans on the kitchen table in between meals. His price is a little cheaper than Aviads.

I have used Canton pans and one developed a crack right in the center of the pan and no I didn't hit anything.

The main difference between the Canton and Aviad style is that the Canton has a deep sump in the front or rear depending on which pan you buy and the Aviad has a more shallow sump that runs the full lenth of the pan. This allows for the engine to be installed lower in the chassis and may be why some of the originals used the Aviad pan. This was the reason I went with the Aviad style from Armando. I lowered the engine 2" from It's original location.

Buy what do I know I run a sb.

Cranky

[GEORGE ANDERSON]

Mike...I see John from Aviaid gave you some additional information on how to mark your dip stick for the 9 quart Aviaid Road Race Pan.
On the subject of oil pans... I have and will continue to provide original equipment manufacturers products when ever I can. I feel it's important to provide every possible original detail that reflects the true spirit of the Cobra from the 60's. Aviaid provides an exceptional product in very low volume that can handle the extreme requirments for this application...and they do it in the original style and design. They have continued to offer dry sump and many other versions for the true Ford builder.... supporting an original manufacture is what I always like to do when possible. The other brands of pans are certainly well built and offer great performance as someone mentioned...they just aren't the companies that have served this industry since the 60's like Aviaid...Aviaid has the oil temperature sending boss in the right place, the correct puke tank boss and other small details including the decal that I appreciate and the others don't ......even if they aren't needed....Aviaid holds to the original design and style...it adds value to the Cobra in the long run. I've been running one on my 427 since 1993 and the old dog just keeps on running....always great oil pressure under the severest of Road Race conditions...so this I recommend from experience... I agree Aviaid is not the least expensive but I believe well worth the investment for a proven history...
My Best, George

[Ron61]

Entdoc,

It is Winter and all the kiddies can't go out and drive so they look for something to debate.

Ron

[Cracker]

George,

I concur on using the best equipment, when possible. That's why I choose an Aviad pan and bought it from Shelby Enterprises but it has developed (less than 500 miles) a leak in the weld at the front and center of the pan. When I called Shelby they said to weld it, this is not what I nor others I would guess would expect from a "high" priced pan with such a steller reputation. This thread has reminded me of the importance of following through with such things and will be calling Shelby again to either fix it or replace it - I'M SURE THEY WILL, RIGHT? On the topic of quality, they had said it is somewhat common for this to occur, therefore, until rectified, I'm one LESS than happy AVIAD/SHELBY customer. I'll let everyone know if SHELBY steps up and does the right thing.

PS - it at least looks neat.

[MOTORHEAD]

Haven't seen mention of the fact that the Aviaid has 4-way gates,(not baffles, but swinging doors, oil goes in and is trapped in a square resivoir where the oil pump pick-up is located, so the pump is never starved for oil under any conditions other than straight up, or down, or roll over)
Also mine has a windage tray, but I don't know if that normally comes with the pan or not.
What is the "baffle" (don't know proper terminology ) layout on the Canton pan?
What George said about ground clearance: read thread "Last ride, struck oil!".

[computerworks]

Originally posted by MOTORHEAD


Haven't seen mention of the fact that the Aviaid has 4-way gates,(not baffles, but swinging doors, oil goes in and is trapped in a square resivoir where the oil pump pick-up is located, so the pump is never starved for oil under any conditions other than straight up, or down, or roll over)

as shown here:



..which, by the way, is exactly the way the Aviad pan was constructed for the orig Comp 427s

[TerrysSPF]

In my Cobra Restorers Ltd. Catalog they have the Aviaid Pan listed as: Aviaid Baffled Oil Pan. It goes on to say that it has "internal baffles AND gates......". How does this differ from the Canton pans internals?
I have a Canton Road Race pan (with tray) currently on my 427SO. It leaks from the rear of the pan (top rear) which I'm hoping is just a gasket issue. But, I was thinking that if I have to take the pan off anyway I may want to "upgrade" to the Aviaid Pan. Is it truely an upgrade over the Canton? -Enough of an upgrade to justify the price?? (I guess that would be up to each individual).
Can someone recommend a dealer / location who has a good price on these pans (I'm sure it's not Shelby)? They go for a whopping 670.00 bucks in the Cobra Restorers catalog AND another 46.00 bucks for the Windage Tray (yes, they're sold seperately Motorhead.....at least with these guys), AND 15% for shipping and handling. We're talking 800.00 by the time all is said and done.