427 Side Oiler Ordered...

[Michael4yah]

I bought my 1st 427 in 1968. Back then there was a boat race called the Parker 9 hour enduro. Mostly 18-20' flatbottoms. The ford 427 was king of that race for many years. Boats are harder on engines than cars. Few people can lift as fast as the boat comes out of the water so many go bang before they finish. This race and the Cobra was the main reason I bougth my 1st 427 FE, It was in a stock 64 427/425 2 dr Custom post 4spd bench. I was 16.

[Eagles]

SkipB

Size does matter

[KM480]

Mike, Congrats on the s/o 427, I think you are doing the right thing with that motor. No one would put anything but a Hemi in a 65 Superstock Plymouth if they were building a 'replica' of one... the motor is the heart and soul of the car and if you want it to sound, feel, smell and run like the real thing... then no other option. If someone wants value and convenience they should go pick up their Z06 down at the dealership and enjoy it.
I am in the opposite situation as you... I have a gorgeous Kirkham sitting in the shop waiting for a motor. I'll be going the 482 s/o route...

[gene giambona]

I love my 427 tunnel port!!! Old school iron, with some modern internals. Looks good in the car, but sounds even better!! Have fun with your FE.

[KM480]

That looks positively WICKED! Do those quads fit under the stock scoop with that tunnel port? Tunnel ports and SOHC look mean in that engine bay.

[FFR428]

FWIW the NASCAR rods were also called the "10,000 rpm" rods. The LeMans were "7000 rpm" rods. Those guys were very brutal on their engines like Ernie said.

Mike congrats on the sideoiler!!! I'm down the turnpike a bit from ya. If you ever get down this way stop by and see the tunnelport I'm building. I hear SA builds a nice engine. And the Unique is a great car!! It'll be a fun ride.

G.

[82ACAUTOCRAFT]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Yup, 667 horse, 1964 high rise heads and 1964 2X4 intake. I'm not sure those new "modern" Edelbrock heads or whatever have a BIG advantage over the stock high riser units. My heads are not "ported" or "polished", just good ol' 64 iron (sodium valves)! The pistons are identical to what they had back then, 12.5 to 1 compression (when you could actually buy 100 octane).

So how in the heck can it produce THAT much horse power? Gotta be the 427's were underated "back in the day" at 425 horse. That had to be for "insurance reasons"!

OR,,, could it be the modern roller lifter camshaft? Maybe thats all it is. Anyway the only part that "broke" on my engine WAS the freakin' modern roller lifter!

Engine's out now, rebuilding with lower compression pistons and a flat tappet cam. Smaller carbs with vacuum secondary. I got to "tame" this beast, at 667 horse I was barely able to drive it on the street!

I think you are a bit optimistic with your 667 horses, I remember back in the sixties, I was a kid then, I went to "Le Mans" every year and I saw the GT40s' win (Powered by small block engines) The only one powered by a 427 was the MKIV and I was there as well when they won. The FE engines were rated @ 450HP and this was a lot of power compared to the 4liter Ferraris' @ 350-375HP. The cars at Le Mans took a lot of beating and many did not finish. The 427 was very powerful and more reliable compared to the Ferrari motor and that's why they won. It was said at the time that they were about bone stock! (I am sure with carefull assembly and balancing). After the MKIV, the Gulf GT40s' were again powered by small blocks. Then came the Porsche 917 which was even more powerful and reliable and that's why they won.
My point is, in the sixties, most big block road race motor put out @ 450 HP. The 427 SOHC maybe a little more. In drag racing, people got a lot more power but with special fuels and for a few seconds. Let's come back to reality here!!!

[82ACAUTOCRAFT]

The truth here is that the 427 side oiler was and is a dam good engine, with today's technology, people get a lot more power from them now than in the sixties. Also, I don't want to offend but I am a bit doubtfull about the accuracy of some of the dynos' out there. I have seen wide variations between some of them, as much as 100hp, and the engine builders have a lot of interest in seing big power numbers! It's good for business!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JWheaton]

How do 2 year old threads get reincarnated?

[82ACAUTOCRAFT]

Why not, if someone finds something new to say!!!!!!!!!

[Scufty]

Originally Posted by ToyCollector

Earnie,

Only you would verbally vommit all over someone else's engine build thread. You couldn't take the moderator HINT before? My apologies to everyone else, but this is ridiculous.

Might I suggest getting a life or starting your own thread? Don't bother with a rebuttal.

The guy asked if he could get some info on 427's why are they better ?
Whats with the trashing?

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by 82ACAUTOCRAFT

Why not, if someone finds something new to say!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm...if it was only correct. You say you went to LeMans all the time, and state that the Mark IV Ford GTs were the first to use FEs?

The first Ford GT to win LeMans was in 66...Mark II with a 427 FE, which was also used the next year in the all-American Mark IV. The Gulf wins in the next two years were with SB motors...per the changed FIA regulations (as opposed to mfg choice).

[82ACAUTOCRAFT]

[The guy asked if he could get some info on 427's why are they better ?
Whats with the trashing?]

The 427 was a much better motor than the 390, 408 and subsequently 428 because of the crossbolting of the mains (Some 408 are crossbolted as well) and of the higher nickel content. Also the side oiling system was a big improvement as well for racing operation. The engine was also smaller and lighter compared to other big blocks. The heads are the weak point of the FE and a big block Chevy can make a lot more power because of that, better breathing and stronger rocker system.

[82ACAUTOCRAFT]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Hmmm...if it was only correct. You say you went to LeMans all the time, and state that the Mark IV Ford GTs were the first to use FEs?

The first Ford GT to win LeMans was in 66...Mark II with a 427 FE, which was also used the next year in the all-American Mark IV. The Gulf wins in the next two years were with SB motors...per the changed FIA regulations (as opposed to mfg choice).

I will double check for the MKII, you might be right, I always thought they were small block with the exeption of the MKIV.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by 82ACAUTOCRAFT

I will double check for the MKII, you might be right, I always thought they were small block with the exeption of the MKIV.

Your post...your problem.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Scufty

The guy asked if he could get some info on 427's why are they better ?
Whats with the trashing?

WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN TO READ!!!! YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO YEAR OLD THREAD AND COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT SOMEBODY SAID BACK THEN!!!!!

I'm closing this assinine thing down so it will stay buried.