Emissions Question

[DavidNJ]

The Genesis brochure says:

Outside of block looks like an original 1965
427 SIDE OILER, with screw in freeze
plugs. Vintage serial number and 1965
casting date are located in the original
positions.

Does that mean it is considered a 1965 engine for emission purposes? If the block is a replacement piece for a 196x engine, is the engine considered as from that year? If so, has someone actually passed emissions tests that way, especially in New Jersey?

Thanks,

David

[Carnut427]

1. What they don't know won't hurt them.
2. The Genesis iron block is accepted as original for all original NHRA stock classes.

[DavidNJ]

Once painted, does the aluminium look the same as the iron?

[Michael C Henry]

Where are we trying to pass emissions? Most engines won't pass current emission tests .But they may go by 65 emission standards ,there weren't many. In Washington they seem to go by date of manufacture of the body and chassis pick a standard to aim for- test ,fail, have a licsensed emission repairer do a $150.00 minimum repair ,go retest ,fail again and go with a waiver.

[DavidNJ]

I pretty sure (since I have don't, I can't be certain) NJ uses the year of engine manufacture based on the engine (Casting number? Serial number?). If a new Genesis block is considered a '65, it may be an easy way to get past the emissions requirement.

Although $1100 more than a new cast iron block, it seems an aluminum block FE could be a 500# engine, not that expensive to build, all new, easily able to handle the power, pretty modern combustion chamber (at least with a Blue Thunder head), and of course looks correct for the 427 Cobra body and chassis.

[speedyzdc]

Running into same issue here in VA. Dept of environment inspected car for waiver. The findings were inconclusive. Now I have to take my cobra to a shop and have the starter removed and write down the block number of my 351 windsor. If it was built in or before 1980 I am golden. If not car will be available soon. Was titled as a 1966 cobra for 2.5 years. Police should up one day and took my tags and registration. 4 weeks later my car is titled as a 2000 Cobra replica. Now I need to get emissions tested or get waiver from DEQ.
Anybody got a block # for a 1970 windsor?

[cbmax]

David

I have a Genesis iron block in my ERA 427 which I recently titled and registered in the state of NJ.

At the end of the day it really doesn't matter so much as to the date of the block. NJ is only going to let you title the car under the year the car was constructed. (this is really the key)

So although you may be able to pass the Genesis block as a '65, the car will still have to pass all of the safety requirements of a car manufactured today.

What does this mean you say?????

It means you will have to register the car with collector car plates. This gets you around the modern day safety requirements (air bags, impact protection, high mounted brakes lights etc). The catch is that with collector status registration you are limited to 3000 miles a year, but you will be exempt from both emissions testing and modern day saefety requirements. All the state will do every 2 years is make sure you have a working odometer, check your mileage and make sure the car is generally roadworthy.

Hope this is helpful.

CB

[speedyzdc]

cbmax,
How can you get collector plates on a car if the year built is 2000? Cars here in VA must be atleast 25 years old for these plates.
If they don't go by the engine block casting number then the body and frame numbers are much newer. Here in VA they used the superformance vin for title purposes but the Dept of Environment will allow a waiver on emissions if the engine is 25 years old or older.

[cbmax]

Speed,

NJ has what they refer to as collector status registration used mainly by people with kit cars, street rods and the like. This form of registration requires nothing more than a working odometer, general road worthiness and a mileage limitation of 3000 per year. (no emissions)

NJ also has antique status plates for cars that are 25 years or older. These plates are designated as "QQ" plates. This is largely for true OEM type cars. These vehicles too are waived on emissions and "the mormal" inspection.

Specific to my Cobra, NJ recognizes it as a 2005 ( the year in which the construction was completed). I know other states let you title the car under the year in which it replicates or by the year of the motor, but not NJ.

So even though my car may a '65 block, in NJ it is relatively worthless on a cobra replica as NJ makes you adhere to safety standards of the year it was completed. So even though the '65 motor would get you around emissions in NJ, it is only half of the equation. Still have those pesky modern day safety requirements to contend with.

So here is how we arrive back at collector registration and a mile restriction of 3000 per year.

Fun huh

[DavidNJ]

So what you are saying is that even if the block qualifies the engine to be exempt from most emissions requirements, the safety issues would be insurmountable. Is that correct?

[cbmax]

David,

That's what I am saying!!!!

Do not to worry too much about the year of the block.

Just get yourself a quality block of your choosing (big block, small block, FE, Windors etc)

Get the collector car registration and live with 3000 miles per year.

When you really think about it, 3000 miles should easily suffice. You will not be driving the car when there is any chance of bad weather. You live in NJ and you may be talking about a driving season of 6 to 7 months tops.

[DavidNJ]

Not what I was hoping to hear...

[RACER X #99]

Lot's of Jersey guys have Cobra replicas with QQ plates. No inspections, one time registration fee, no mileage restrictions. Ask one of them how they got the QQ plates.

[autoxmike]

Originally Posted by cbmax

David,
Get the collector car registration and live with 3000 miles per year.

When you really think about it, 3000 miles should easily suffice. You will not be driving the car when there is any chance of bad weather. You live in NJ and you may be talking about a driving season of 6 to 7 months tops.

One advantage of an electric speedo is that you can install a switch to turn the speedo and odometer off when you don't need it.

My trans outputs pulses for an electic speedo, then I send that to a box (Cable-X) (http://www.atrol.com/cablex.htm) that has microprocceser that controls a DC motor that turns the speedo cable to the mechanical speedo. The box is programmable with DIP siwthces to make the speedo and odometer accurate. I added a switch to turn it off when I don't want the speedo to work...

[DavidNJ]

Don't QQ plates have a restriction on use: only to/from display or repair?