410 FE on Ebay

[westcott cobra]

Since a few weeks this auction is on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...8014627&rd=1,1

Any idea who is behind that?

How does it sound to you?

Please refer to the description not to the pic, its just an eye catcher

Here is a small extract from the parts list:

block--------------------428 service bored to fit
crank--------------------427 nodular steel machined to .010
rods---------------------hipo 390/427 ford (C6AE)
pistons-----------------forged sealed power
rings---------------------hastings moly .030
bearings----------------clevite 77 "H"
gaskets-----------------fel- pro
bolts----------------------arp rod bolts
camshaft----------------PBM 160324 300 duration 542 lift (some choice)
lifters---------------------hydraulic
timing chain------------cloyes double roller
pushrods----------------hardened
rockers------------------new rocker shafts
oil pump-----------------melling
heads--------------------ford (C6AE-6015-j) ported with hardened seats
valves--------------------stainless 2.09/1.65
timing cover-----------stock ford
oil pan--------------------stock early
valve covers-----------chrome early rounded
vibration damper-----stock ford
intake---------------------390 4 bbl cast
carburetor---------------holley
air cleaner--------------chrome
fuel pump---------------stock ford
hose----------------------2' connecting carb
distributor---------------ford duraspark II
cap, rotor---------------ford duraspark II
plugs---------------------motorcraft
coil------------------------motorcraft
plug wires--------------double silicone
ign module-------------wells F102
eng bolts---------------new kit
wire looms-------------chrome

I'm looking arround because I'd like to replace my Cleveland by an FE in the next 24 month.

Westcott

PS: I'm located in Germany !

[mamba]

Sei vorsichtig! Es gibt auch in deutschland schlaue fuechse. Brobiere lotec,der junge hat schwer was drauf. Joe in texas

[FFR428]

Well the feedback bothers me as they have no past sales for engines. They bought an engine stand tho, some t shirts and a mouse pad among other purchases. With a feedback rating of 11 and all purchases. No sales. I like to see some solid feedback on past engine sales. Otherwise who knows who built it and what's in it. It's a 406 not a 410. 4.13 bore and 3.78 stroke. I'd question what "special racing 427 crank" it has. The standard nodular iron or if it is indeed forged steel. Are the big "R" heads C6AE-R's? As big as a 428??? What do they mean? Valve size? I'd like to see some actual pictures of what I was getting not just a poser pic.The reverse 105 block hopefully has the thicker wall cores. I'm just not feeling the love here. And if it's going to ship to Germany I'd hate to see you get hosed. These guys sound liike the old "Indy Mustang" guys. Bad news. I've seen these guys advertise engines before. But I've never seen any sell. I think money would be better spent with Keith Craft, Southern Automotive, Gessford etc...you'll spend a little more but your dealing with professional and well known people in the trade.

JMO...

G.

[Excaliber]

A 428 sleeved down to a 390? Whats the point. I can see going for a shorter stroke to increase rpm or build rpm faster, but a smaller bore? I don't get it...

[RedCSX1]

Take a pass. Really does not add up. Not buying that it has a 427 crank either.

[flwolfman]

Excaliber, reading the ad, I don't think it has been sleeved down to a 390. I think it has been bored to 428 specs. So you end up with a short stroke 428 so it should rev better than a 428. I think that is what he means.

Westcott, I would want to see good photos of the heads and crank prior to doing anything with this. It should be a good preformer. Jim
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[Anthony]

Originally Posted by FFR428

It's a 406 not a 410. 4.13 bore and 3.78 stroke. .

Well, it's like a 406 bored out 0.030", so the bore should be 4.16", and the displacement should be about 410 ci.

[westcott cobra]

Thanks for all the input.

I will ask for pics and post some here.

I'm not in a hurry...

Westcott

[FFR428]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Well, it's like a 406 bored out 0.030", so the bore should be 4.16", and the displacement should be about 410 ci.

Your right, 411.2 cubes. I missed that one....LOL

G.

[Monster]

The specs on ebay don't seem to match whats in the parts list that was provided.

ebay "390/428 rods"
list "390/427 rods" (could be a typo)
Then there's the mention of 428 service block, 406 was made for 1 race season 62/63 and based on the 390 block
The 406 is a solid lifter only block (not drilled for hyd.) the list says Hyd. lifters.

I agree something says "stay away from this one"

Mike

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Monster

Then there's the mention of 428 service block, 406 was made for 1 race season 62/63 and based on the 390 block
The 406 is a solid lifter only block (not drilled for hyd.) the list says Hyd. lifters.

The 406 and 428 both shared the same bore size, 4.130". They both were "based" on the 390, which was based on the 352, and the 332.

The 427 is like a bored out 406, and the 428 is like a stroked 406.

The ad says:

DO YOU WANT A BIG BLOCK LOOK AND SMALL BLOCK REVS?? - this is a racing engine 406 .030 over designed to rev like a 351 and run like a big block (well it IS a big block) you can cream ricers with this 500 hp 525 ft lb* (max hp with victor jr intake and electronic ignition) monster that will rev to 6500 before it starts to droop. this engine has a special racing 427 ford crank 3.78" stroke and heavy duty 390/428 rods and forged pistons. the cam is a radical 427 FE unit that sports 308 duration with .605 lift. it is fitted with a set of remachined ported "R" heads as big as a 428 - compression is 10:1 - 12:1 yr pref. The block is a blueprinted rev 105 heavy duty FE bored to 4.13. featuring thick cylinder walls and a 3rd web in the mains. it will fit any early ford that used a big block FE including a cobra. we even installed one in a fox body mustang. a 4bbl 390 hipo intake is included, as well as an electronic ignition and plugs and wires with a reworked holley 4bbl double pumper carb. chrome valve covers and a chrome air cleaner finish out the package. it will look similar to the picture but the pic is not the one you get - it isnt completed enough for pictures yet, leaving you some wiggle room. it can be finished out to look like the picture. call me for more info 317-250-3320 or email for a complete listing of parts actually used. * the figures are from desktop dyno and reflect maximum possible hp and not neccessarily the hp you will get. hp is not warranted - the engine is warranted for defects and workmanship but not for usability or misuse.


Well, if the engine is bored out to 4.130", then I would think theblock was originally a 390, stock 4.050" bore. Although some 390's can be overbored 0.080", I don't think there are that many that could be overbored 0.110", to 4.160". So is the engine block an originqal 428 bored out 0.030, or a 390 block bored out to 4.130". My guess, being that it may not be that clear, is that the block is a 428 block bored out 0.030 to 4.160, for a displacement of 411.02 ", about 410.

[westcott cobra]

It is a 428 bored to fit according the parts list the seller sent to me, see my thread start.

But we decided last week to rebuild my 4Bolt Cleveland with mech roller cam and roller lifters ( crane 528371 and 44570-16), new oil pump and canton pan. The block, heads, Eagle H-beam rods and Sealed Power Pistons can be used again.

It should make a bad combo as it was before...

The season is comming up here an i will be prepared It would take too much time to adapt the FE now, cutting and welding new headers, adapt the tremec and so on before May.

Because of my job i'm on business trips to BMW Engineering Centre and 5and6-series-plant for future projects, 3-4 days a week, the whole year, and have just the weekends left.

Therefor, the switch to FE is now planned for winter this year maybe spring next year.

New ideas are: Pond short block, Edelbrock heads and all the parts bought in the US and assembled here in Germany.

So thanks a lot for all your input.

I'll be back