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02-04-2007, 07:03 AM
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Who makes the Shelby alum. block?
Just curious, but who actually makes the alum. block for the Shelby sideoiler? I did a search but...
Thanks, John
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02-04-2007, 07:23 AM
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I think that it is cast by ARIES, on another note the shelby alum block is not a sideoiler, much to everyones surprise it is based on a donovan 417 block.
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02-04-2007, 08:38 AM
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I think that it is cast by ARIES,
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That would probably be ARIAS. They also cast the B429 parts for Ford at one time.
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02-04-2007, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kanuck
I think that it is cast by ARIES, on another note the shelby alum block is not a sideoiler, much to everyones surprise it is based on a donovan 417 block
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The bore spacing on the FE and 392 hemi are pretty close, allowing the basic engine layout/molds to be somewhat similar.
Ford FE bore spacing: 4.63"; Chrysler 392 bore spacing: 4.5625";
And, I think Mickey Thompson took unmachined 392 hemi heads, and machined them for a ford 427, several sets I think.
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02-04-2007, 08:40 AM
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John,
I have been down to Shelby Engine shop in Gardena, CA. Even got a personal tour from, at the time, the guy running their engine build shop. They have a dyno, etc. for engine building. While I was there I noticed huge milling machines being used with blocks getting worked on. They also had about 30 blocks lined up on the floor ready to be shipped out to engine builders. I don't think they actually cast the blocks there but it apperared they did all the rough boring, etc. This was over two years ago so things may have changed. I was going to have my motor Dyno'd there but the Shelby guys found some problems I wasn't aware of so I bailed on the dyno.
Another big portion of that site is the Goodyear tire warehouse that I was told Shelby owns. He is the, everything west of the Mississippi, distributor for Goodyear. Some deal he made years and years ago. Another building has probably 100+ old cars covering everyting he has been envolved with. His very first Cobra is their also. "original" torn seats, faided paint, looks like crap to be honest but probably worth Millions......
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02-04-2007, 08:43 AM
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Thanks Woodz428 for they correction, getting old is really starting to suck.
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02-04-2007, 08:44 AM
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Well then who is making Rousch aluminum 427 FE blocks. I have witnessed the install of the new 500hp version in a continuation car. Great price as well! around 20 G's
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02-04-2007, 09:01 AM
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Well then who is making Rousch aluminum 427 FE blocks. I have witnessed the install of the new 500hp version in a continuation car. Great price as well! around 20 G's
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As per conversations with them last Feb, and it may have changed but don't think so. They use Shelby aluminum and Genesis cast iron in their builds. They seemed to indicate that they would build with whatever block you wanted, but the ones they offer with their warranty are the Shelby Al and Genesis Fe. The warranty may not be tied to the usage of those blocks, but I didn't ask that.
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Any thoughts what a reasonable price would be for a new complete "ready to install" alum. Shelby. 20K-30K?
Thanks, John
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The Shelby blocks are cast by Buddy Bar and machined in Gardena at Shelby's place. They are not based on the Donovan 417, but are based on an FE. The oiling system is a "priority main" setup which is unique to the Shelby block.
Mike LeFevers (who posts here) was very involved with the development, so maybe he'll chime in.
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The blocks are "cast" by Buddy Bar Casting Co. The "patterns" or "molds" were made by Scott Powers Patternworks & developed using original Ford blue prints (Not Donovan or hemi or anything else). The "CNC" machine work was originally done by Arias but Shelby bought the "engine machine shop" from them in 2003, so they currently machine their own blocks, heads, and support components.
As for the Goodyear race tire distributorship it has move to Las Vegas but is still owned by Carroll.
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02-04-2007, 09:57 AM
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Your right Kris!
Beat me to it.
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02-04-2007, 10:02 AM
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The Shelby blocks are cast by Buddy Bar and machined in Gardena at Shelby's place. They are not based on the Donovan 417, but are based on an FE. The oiling system is a "priority main" setup which is unique to the Shelby block.
Mike LeFevers (who posts here) was very involved with the development, so maybe he'll chime in.
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The blocks are "cast" by Buddy Bar Casting Co. The "patterns" or "molds" were made by Scott Powers Patternworks & developed using original Ford blue prints (Not Donovan or hemi or anything else). The "CNC" machine work was originally done by Arias but Shelby bought the "engine machine shop" from them in 2003, so they currently machine their own blocks, heads, and support components.
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Well, I guess that about sums it up.
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02-04-2007, 10:30 AM
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About 6 months ago, I called them and told them I wanted an all alluminum engine with a Shelby 427 FE block that puts out around 625 HP and TQ. The "engine guy" told me he could do around 635 HP and 610 TQ using a 427 FE Shelby block but it would be around 483 CI when done. All this for around $23K.  |
02-04-2007, 11:06 AM
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Mike if these blocks are based on ford original blueprints, how come an old style ford starter won't bolt on or fit, you have to use a modern mini style starter?
Dean
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Mike if these blocks are based on ford original blueprints, how come an old style ford starter won't bolt on or fit, you have to use a modern mini style starter?
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The key word is "based" when we made the block we wanted siamese cylinder bores. This reqiured us to move the water jacket out to maintain proper cooling and it is the water jacket that causes the interference. If you look closely at the Pond block he has done the same thing but has a relief to clear the starter. Some things are easier when you see other peoples projects.
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02-04-2007, 01:20 PM
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02-04-2007, 09:09 PM
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Thats because you told me!  
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Your right Kris!
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02-04-2007, 09:28 PM
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Any thoughts what a reasonable price would be for a new complete "ready to install" alum. Shelby. 20K-30K?
Thanks, John
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The "retail" prices on the Roush Shelby FE engines run from $26k to $38k, depending upon whether they are polished or fuel injected (see price as quoted below). 
RESF-511RFE-C
Carbureted
511RFE Replica (Alum. Block)
600 HP / 625 Lbs./Ft.
$25,900
RESF-511RFEP-C
Carbureted
511RFE Replica (Alum. Block) (Polished)
600 HP / 625 Lbs./Ft.
$27,150
RESF-511IRFE-C
Fuel Injected
511IRFE Replica (Alum. Block)
600 HP / 625 Lbs./Ft.
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$35,500
RESF-511IRFEP-C
Fuel Injected
511IRFE Replica (Alum. Block) (Polished)
600 HP / 625 Lbs./Ft.
Est.
$37,900
However, you can get a carbureted Shelby FE from a reputable builder for considerably less ($20 to $25k without getting carried away on options/components, with better HP and torque than Roush).
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Thanks, a great cost break down.
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