Main Menu
|
Nevada Classics
|
Advertise at CC
|
January 2025
|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
|
1 |
2 |
3 |
4 |
5 |
6 |
7 |
8 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
12 |
13 |
14 |
15 |
16 |
17 |
18 |
19 |
20 |
21 |
22 |
23 |
24 |
25 |
26 |
27 |
28 |
29 |
30 |
31 |
|
|
CC Advertisers
|
|
08-24-2007, 05:43 AM
|
|
Senior Club Cobra Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Scottsdale,
az
Cobra Make, Engine: Bought an Exact carbon car in TX. Bought a 427 sideoiler with 630 HP
Posts: 1,714
|
|
Not Ranked
side oiler starter noise
I have a 67 sideoiler. When the starter is engaged it make a screeching kind of noise as it starts the engine. It's a standard ford starter and I've tried another starter with the same results. The RAM billet alum. fly wheel was inspected with no damage showing to the ring gear. Any thoughts? Starter shims?
John
__________________
double ugly
The average fighter pilot, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring. These feelings just don't involve anybody else.
Last edited by double ugly; 08-24-2007 at 06:16 AM..
|
-
Advertising
08-27-2007, 08:05 PM
|
|
Senior Club Cobra Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Scottsdale,
az
Cobra Make, Engine: Bought an Exact carbon car in TX. Bought a 427 sideoiler with 630 HP
Posts: 1,714
|
|
Not Ranked
Since I've had no response I'll ask another question which will reveal my complete ignorance. Doesn't the Lakewood alignment have something to do with starter alignment? I've read that the bellhousing alignment is to insure that the ring gear doesn't contact the bellhousing. The starter screeches but turns the engine over. No obvious damage to ring gear or starter gear. I really want this fixed before installing the engine/tranny.
John
__________________
double ugly
The average fighter pilot, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring. These feelings just don't involve anybody else.
Last edited by double ugly; 08-27-2007 at 08:09 PM..
|
08-27-2007, 08:52 PM
|
|
CC Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2001
Location: California,
Ca
Cobra Make, Engine: NAF 289 Slabside Early Comp Car with 289 Webers and all the goodies. Cancelling the efforts of several Priuses
Posts: 6,592
|
|
Not Ranked
DU : The Bellhousing alignment is more to keep the input shaft on the trans concentric within a few thousandths of an inch with the centerline of the crankshaft after the transmission is bolted up, otherwise the transmission will do all sorts of strange things.
__________________
Rick
As you slide down the Banister of Life, may the splinters never be pointing the wrong way
|
08-27-2007, 08:56 PM
|
Senior Club Cobra Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
|
|
Not Ranked
The main purpose of the bell housing alignment is to get 'dead center' the input shaft of the trans. Of course that would also impact flywheel clearance and starter alignment. While shims are typical on a GM product there seldom required on a Ford, relativly speaking. If the starter does not DISENGAGE smoothly after it's turned off that would indicate the starter gear teeth are 'to deep' into the ring gear teeth. But a 'screetch', hmmm, got me there. Standard issue Ford (like from NAPA) starters are reasonably priced, perhaps you could find/borrow one to test with? Heck, buy it, test it and take it back!
|
08-27-2007, 08:57 PM
|
|
Senior Club Cobra Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Scottsdale,
az
Cobra Make, Engine: Bought an Exact carbon car in TX. Bought a 427 sideoiler with 630 HP
Posts: 1,714
|
|
Not Ranked
I guess I knew that too but how about starter alignment? Wouldn't the bellhousing affect that also?
John
__________________
double ugly
The average fighter pilot, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring. These feelings just don't involve anybody else.
|
08-27-2007, 08:58 PM
|
|
Club Cobra Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Southern,
NJ
Cobra Make, Engine: CSX4300, C5AE-H, Toploader
Posts: 695
|
|
Not Ranked
Have you looked at the starter gear. Ihad one that had the teeth worn off on the front 1/8" of the gear and it would make that noise.
|
08-27-2007, 09:03 PM
|
|
CC Member
|
|
|
Join Date: May 2001
Location: California,
Ca
Cobra Make, Engine: NAF 289 Slabside Early Comp Car with 289 Webers and all the goodies. Cancelling the efforts of several Priuses
Posts: 6,592
|
|
Not Ranked
Go here and check out some dimensions, compare to what you have
http://www.tiltonracing.com/content....ist2&id=31&m=s
__________________
Rick
As you slide down the Banister of Life, may the splinters never be pointing the wrong way
|
08-27-2007, 09:55 PM
|
|
Senior Club Cobra Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Scottsdale,
az
Cobra Make, Engine: Bought an Exact carbon car in TX. Bought a 427 sideoiler with 630 HP
Posts: 1,714
|
|
Not Ranked
Sal the starter gear is OK, yet. The problem is that it only started the engine a few times and probably wouldn't show much wear.
I did buy a new starter from NAPA and will hook up a battery and see if it makes noise when starting the engine as it sits in the engine cradle. (Advice from a racing legend, and good friend Larry Burton.)
__________________
double ugly
The average fighter pilot, despite the sometimes swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring. These feelings just don't involve anybody else.
Last edited by double ugly; 08-27-2007 at 09:58 PM..
|
08-30-2007, 11:40 AM
|
CC Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Vancouver BC Canada,
BC
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 38
|
|
Not Ranked
I have a Lakewood scattershield on my 428, and it was close enough to use "as is", although I have had to dial in every other scattershield I have owned, both Lakewoods and McLeods. The FE flywheel is very large diameter compared to most engines, 184 teeth on the ring gear, while a SB Ford is normally either 157 or 164 teeth. Because of this, there is very little clearance between the flywheels teeth, and the inside of the scattershield. On my present 428, when I removed the scattershield, I noticed there was an area on the upper right section inside the scattershield where the ring gear had scraped against the inside of the scattershield. I never heard any noise, as I race the car, and it has no mufflers. The starter always turned the engine over just fine, & it sounds like yours does too, so maybe take a look inside your scattershield. If it has been scraping on the ring gear, a couple of minutes with a grinder should give enough clearance.
__________________
78 Fairmont 428CJ 4speed ET10.03@132.17mph
1985 Mustang 302 5speed 12.31@106.9mph
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:46 PM.
|