427 Sideoiler NOS block

[fastrods]

Here is a 1968 NOS sideoiler on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=220****54241

[Fordzilla]

Here's the message I get when I click on the link:

This listing () has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.
If the listing was removed by eBay, consider it canceled. Note: Listings that have ended more than 90 days ago will no longer appear on eBay.

[fastrods]

I cannot get the link to work.
The item number will not post properly.
Sorry about that

[lovehamr]

Try searching this number: 220****54241

http://www.motors.ebay.com/

WTF is with the "****"? Why cant we type ****? There it is again, lets try this; 3 3 2 6. There we go, put those #s in the missing digits (w/o the spaces) when you search ebay and it'll pop up.

Computer guys; anybody know WTF is going on? Why can't those #s be typed together?

Steve

[Rick Parker]

Why wont it allow the entire # to be posted???

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

Computer guys; anybody know WTF is going on? Why can't those #s be typed together?

Yes, I see the problem... it will get looked at

ron
ClubCobra Moderator

[Keithc8]

I do not have one on E-Bay but I do have one that I would sell. NOS side oiler block like it came from Ford. If anyone wants it they can have it for 5000.00. Thanks, Keith Craft 870-246-7460

[priobe]

keith,

just curious, why would a NOS 427 side oiler be worth more than a Genisis block if it is rhe same if not better

[fastrods]

Why is an original 427 cobra worth more than a Kirkham?

[priobe]

ok point taken

but not the same

so would you say a 1965 sideoiler motor is worth more than a Genisis block with all else being the same.

let me know cause I have a 1965 427 side oiler motor

I guess this might go down the same path as real or replica.

I am not trying to strat this just asking just in case I ever sold my motor

[fastrods]

Any of this stuff is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
With that said, a 65 Ford with the correct engine is worth a lot more than a 65 Ford with a genesis or pond engine.
There is no arguing technology is better, but I would like to see someone sell a new vette for what a 58 fuelie goes for.
Your motor may be worth a lot to the guy who really needs one for a restoration.
For most of us on here building replicas, it makes more sense to buy a pond or genesis block.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by priobe

...so would you say a 1965 sideoiler motor is worth more than a Genisis block with all else being the same.

Remember that in some states having an original block is a "get-out-of-jail-free-card" for emissions. Yes, I know that some of the new blocks have numbers that can fool lazy inspectors, but if you live in a state that sets your emission levels as of the block date you're nuts if you don't use an original FE (IMHO, that is ). And a NOS SO is about as good as it gets. I would be surprised if there was anybody out there that has a "new FE block" and that can actually pass their state's emissions laws. (Pulling the DP and replacing it with a lean single barrel carb doesn't count.)

[Keithc8]

I am not saying that it is worth more to everyone but if you need or want a new original Ford sideoiler block it gets pretty hard to find. If you do not need or want a new Ford original block the Pond and Genesis is a great way to go and what we use most of the time. We use the Pond and Shelby aluminum blocks more than anything right now because of the weight and they do not cost much more than a cast iron block.
For example I am building an orignal 1967 sideoiler engine right now that would be nice for someone looking for a nice orignal engine for a Cobra or a 1967 Fairlane. This engine will have the original 67 side oiler block, Medium Riser heads, Side Winder intake, pent roof valve covers, correct from cover, damper and pointer. I paid about 500.00 for the correct damper and pointer to have everything to make it original. It will have the vent/fill tube on the front of the intake and the tall breather on the bacl of the intake. This will not be for everybody but someone needing an orignal engine to pass emissions or restoring a car it will be great.
Thanks, Keith Craft

[FFR428]

Before the Genesis and Pond blocks came to the market NOS sideoiler blocks were selling for much more. $7500+ was the norm. So if anything prices have dropped a bit.

Are DMV inspectors getting that savvy where they are checking casting numbers and reading date codes? Do you think they could really tell a Genesis block from a OEM? I have a new Genesis block and have had a few oem 427's. I think it would be somewhat difficult even for the most anal of inspectors to tell them apart when it's together in the car. So how deep are these guys digging into your rides on inspection?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by FFR428

Are DMV inspectors getting that savvy where they are checking casting numbers and reading date codes? Do you think they could really tell a Genesis block from a OEM?

The DMV folks are not involved with emissions inspections in my state. In order to get the emissions exemption for the old block you go through the Department of Environmental Quality. You'll have to swear under oath that the block is really the date you say it is, the inspectors know where to look for the date codes, and they can really tell the difference between an iron block and an aluminum block. It's a roll of the dice on whether you could get by with a nicely weathered Pond or Genesis. And I suppose we could at least come up with plausible deniability when the youngster from the Commonwealth's Attorney's office calls you up to clear up that "false swearing" thing that has just landed on his desk....

[1985 CCX]

It's all about economics = Supply and Demand

If Shelby made 100,000 CSX cars there would be no replicas.

An NOS block cost more because there are more people wanting them than there are numbers.

If KC says the block is good, feel comfortable with the buy. Be cautious when buying or biulding FE for power and always use a reputable builder. I have had two friends buy a cheaper FE only to have issues. In the end they would have done it once with KC and saved $$$$.

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

It's all about economics = Supply and Demand

If Shelby made 100,000 CSX cars there would be no replicas.

Wouldn't that mean that there would be at least 100,000 replicas.

[Woodz428]

Just a general question, that I can probably answer myself in a couple months when I look at a new Genesis block again. Do they have date codes cast into them?? if they have the correct casting number do they have the correct or no date coding cast into them.There wouldn't have been any date stamp on a bare block since that is done on assembly. I think that a cast iron Genesis block would pretty hard to distinguish from an original in the car...unless it has a date code cast in that is current. The date stamp could be stamped by anyone when it's assembled because they aren't vey precise/uniform from the factory.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Woodz428

Just a general question, that I can probably answer myself in a couple months when I look at a new Genesis block again. Do they have date codes cast into them??

Genesis blocks have old serial numbers and a '65 casting date. BUT, before you make up your mind, you should get some input from fellow Cobra owners in your home state as to what you should expect regarding emissions. In my state, the DEQ passed specific regs dealing with kit cars (Cobras) and specifically dealing with the date of the engine issue. Their inspectors can tell a Genesis from the real thing. Your state may be different though (and probably is). Check with your fellow owners before you make a final decision.

[FFR428]

My iron Gen block has a C5AE-H casting number and a 5J2 date code. I don't know if the Genesis dates change or are all the same. Maybe someone can chime in on that. There are a few minor things with them I can see that would tip them off. But they'd have to be pretty sharp to spot them.