need help identifying

[tmax5151]

have FE engine and would like to know what it is?
block=c5ae -a / jan date, the block has 4 bolt holes for engine mount.
heads=c4ae 6090 G /jan date
crank=c1ae-a
rods c6ae
intake aluminum=c3ea 9424-e with a 3 c 3 cast up front

[Ron61]

Per my book on Block Codes. C5AE is a 1965 block from a full sized Ford. The E signifies the engineering group which in this case would be the engine group. The A was probably a Galaxie.

As for the crank [crank=c1ae-a] all I can find for that number it says between 61 & 71/390/406/427c.i.d.

As for the heads all I can find in my book which is very limited is a C4AE-F which says they were 64-65/ 427 c.i.d. High Performance Low Riser heads.

I am sure that others with better books will be able to break it down a lot more for you.

I used to have some links to places that had the codes but can't find them.

Ron

[FFR428]

C4AE-6090-G heads are the bread and butter 64-65 lowriser heads. Not a performance item but good heads as is or worked over with larger valves.

[tmax5151]

what is a lowriser?

[Ron61]

A 427 Low Riser was one with the low rise intake and the heads and other stuff flowed less than the Medium and High Riser ones did. I had a 427 Tunnel Port with two Holly Carbs that you could stand in and it was a high riser that stuck so far up I couldn't use a hood without cutting a long hole in it and then either having a metal scoop made or just leaving the air cleaners out in the open. I only kept it a short while and got rid of it as it was just not drivable on the street. The Medium riser came in between the High Rise and Low Rise intakes. Ports are a little different in them too. As FFR428 said, they are good heads but not the best performance ones.

Ron

[tmax5151]

i checked the bore and stroke and it is 4.13 bore and the stroke looks to be around 3.75 maybe a little more,checked and it said it was a 406.
did they have 406 in 65 or am i reading the date code wrong

[FFR428]

406 was a 62.5-63.5 engine option only. I know the C4AE-A 427 block was used as a 406 service block casting. But never heard of a C5AE version. Is there any other numbers or letters after the C5AE? You might see a 6015 then another letter. The 6015 is just the basic engine number but the letter after that might help with ID. The 428 came out in 66 and I'm sure there could be some very early castings with a C5 number. But I've never seen one before myself. The thing with the original 62-63 406's were they were solid lifter only blocks with oil pressure relief valve above the rear cam plug among other things. And the 427 top oilers had the same features. A true hipo block. Are you positive it's a C5AE number? If not do you see a HP anywhere on the side of the block? Pictures are worth a thousand words here if you can post some.

[Toby]

The crank is a '61-62 390

[767Jockey]

I'm no FE guru by any means, and I'm probably all wet here, but weren't the 406 and 427 topoiler blocks all cross bolt mains? If they all were than isn't this an easy way to ID the block if it's a 406 or 427 block? If I'm wrong, disregard!

[Bernica]

According to my books....
Block: C5AE - ?
If ? = B, then it's a '65 390 Police w/ solid lifters
If ? = A, then a '65 390 (4.05 bore) or a 427 top-oiler( 4.23 bore)
If ? = E, 427 top oiler
If ? = D or H, then 427 side-oiler

Heads = No info on a C4AE, but there was a C3AE-G; = '63 427 low riser from 3/15/63

Crank = 390 Police, before 1-15-62

Conn Rods: There were several "C6AE -6200-?" Would need the ? to look it up.

Intake: '63-'64 427 4V, aluminum dual plane

Tha't all I could find. Hope some of it helps.

[Fordzilla]

Originally Posted by 767Jockey

I'm no FE guru by any means, and I'm probably all wet here, but weren't the 406 and 427 topoiler blocks all cross bolt mains? If they all were than isn't this an easy way to ID the block if it's a 406 or 427 block? If I'm wrong, disregard!

I believe only about half of the 406s produced were cross bolted.

[FFR428]

Most 406's were not crossbolted. Although some were cast with the crossbolt bosses. Yes it's easy to spot and ID a original 62.5-63.5 406 block. Those are some of the few casting numbers that actually match up. Also you'll find a "HP" cast on the side and back of the block. Also in the lifter valley and by the cam journals inside. Most 427's have crossbolted mains. But there are a few industrial versions that were not crossbolted. That makes we wonder if this is a underbored 427 topoiler block (sold as a 406 sevice block) or just a thicker walled 390 punched out to 4.13. Pics of the block would certainly help explain what it is.

[Woodz428]

Originally Posted by tmax5151

i checked the bore and stroke and it is 4.13 bore and the stroke looks to be around 3.75 maybe a little more,checked and it said it was a 406.
did they have 406 in 65 or am i reading the date code wrong

I didn't see the date code in any of your posts, there were only casting codes,it would look like "5J12" or a similar format. I have the heads listed as standard 352/390 heads '64-'65. The rods, as pointed out, need a suffix to tell for sure, likely with the heads and block #s they are late style rods that were standard in everything other than PI/CJs and 427s. If they are the PI type rods they have a 19/32 nut, a give away. With the #'s given, I am surprised that no one has commented that it is likely a 390 block overbored. It is commonly done and I see them on e-bay regularly . They are usually listed as 428 blocks and have the accurate details(390 bored to 428 bore) within the description. I would guess that is what he has, most of the time they are made into 428s or larger, but a 406 version wouldn't be as hard on the walls if they were thin.
I had 2 406 engines, they did have the HP but were sans crossbolts, although they were cast with the bosses. The rods for a 406 are like the later CJ rods but would have had an older #.

[tmax5151]

will post pics tomorrow,dates on the heads are 4a8 4a10,the engine is c5ea-a with a casting date 5a27 i think.there is a stamped on a little side pad 3 or 4 # will post tomorrow,has adjustable rockers if that means anything.where the oil filter bolts on there one hole straight in that 3/8 and one that at an angle that is about 1/2".