Go Back   Club Cobra > Club GT40 Areas (MKI - MKII - MKIII - MKIV) > GT40 Talk
User Name
Password
Club Cobra Home Register FAQ For Sale Calendar Today's Posts Journals

MMG Superformance
Nevada Classics
Main Menu
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Keith Craft Racing
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
March 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31          

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 02:16 PM
RodKnock's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make & Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1 View Post
My bet is that in 10 years or less they are $1 million dollar cars with even less no story cars at that time.
Alternatively, you could invest the $250,000 +/- into a 5-star level mutual fund or ETF that earns roughly 15% per year over a 10-year period and also get $1,000,000. There are roughly 100+ high quality mutual funds or ETF's that earn that minimum level (15%) of annual return.

Certainly not risk-free, but neither is owning a $250K +/- car that may (or may not) have the "potential" of being a $1,000,000 car.

Usually, Patrick is the person making these WAG's.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 02:32 PM
twobjshelbys's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Cobra Make & Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
Posts: 5,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock View Post
Alternatively, you could invest the $250,000 +/- into a 5-star level mutual fund or ETF that earns roughly 15% per year over a 10-year period and also get $1,000,000. There are roughly 100+ high quality mutual funds or ETF's that earn that minimum level (15%) of annual return.

Certainly not risk-free, but neither is owning a $250K +/- car that may (or may not) have the "potential" of being a $1,000,000 car.

Usually, Patrick is the person making these WAG's.
You can't drive a ETF

I didn't buy my GT thinking it would every be anything but a depreciating asset. The fact that it isn't doesn't change the part of taking it out and driving it. Now that we are in Vegas it's a little easier to do.

I'd like to know what ETFs are turning 15% by the way...
__________________
Cheers,
Tony
CSX4005LA
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 02:53 PM
RodKnock's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make & Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by twobjshelbys View Post
You can't drive a ETF

I didn't buy my GT thinking it would every be anything but a depreciating asset. The fact that it isn't doesn't change the part of taking it out and driving it. Now that we are in Vegas it's a little easier to do.

I'd like to know what ETFs are turning 15% by the way...
Research is your friend. Took me a couple minutes with an online screener.

Come on, who drives their FGT's? The FGT's that I see for sale have very little or are still in their wrapper with no mileage.

You may not be able to drive a mutual fund or ETF, but nonetheless, it could still put a smile on your face when see your monthly statement arrives, if you buy the right ones. Easier to sell too, when the time comes.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 03:13 PM
Banned
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 589
Default

Well all valid points but I just remember all the crashes years ago and was wondering if it still occurs in big numbers. Man there were some famous street crashes over the years with several Ferrari's busted in half like a water melon. Investment when it comes to cars is never in my equation.

By the way what is ETF? Oh wait I should know, man my * * * is rolling in his grave. lol


By the way there is an index for collectable investment cars out there but I really never follow it.

Last edited by Jamo; 08-19-2014 at 01:41 AM.. Reason: Request of poster.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 07:13 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,009
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxRider View Post
Well all valid points but I just remember all the crashes years ago and was wondering if it still occurs in big numbers. Man there were some famous street crashes over the years with several Ferrari's busted in half like a water melon. Investment when it comes to cars is never in my equation.

By the way what is ETF? Oh wait I should know, man my great grandfather is rolling in his grave. lol


By the way there is an index for collectable investment cars out there but I really never follow it.
The last or possibly previous issue of Hot Rod magazine showed a GT that crashed right by their offices in SOCAL. So yes, it is still happening although not as often because most are not driven as pointed out previously.
They are particularly dangerous on cold mornings because a stock one can make 600 RWHP in those conditions and the tires are near glass transition temps.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 08:10 PM
fordracing65's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tempe,AZ-High Point,NC, AZ
Cobra Make & Engine: Kirkham #684, 482FE, Mike Mccluskey build
Posts: 2,520
Send a message via Skype™ to fordracing65
Default

I need to sell my cars and buy some EFT's...
__________________
PRIDEnJOY
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2014, 08:44 PM
NewYorkGuy's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Big Apple, ny
Cobra Make & Engine: Nissan
Posts: 606
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fordracing65 View Post
I need to sell my cars and buy some EFT's...
15% annual returns? lol, my dad knows a guy who promised 15-20%. His name is Bernie Madoff. This forum is awesome. I'm learning a lot about cars & watches.

I will stick to flipping sneakers. I missed out on the Nike Air Yeezy Red October. Damn. Sellers on ebay are asking $15,000 for a pair $245 retail. That is one heck of a return and u don't have to wait a year.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 06-19-2014, 07:42 AM
buddyg's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Cobra Make & Engine: Superformance #1309 www.spfowners.freeforums.net
Posts: 524
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra #3170 View Post
The last or possibly previous issue of Hot Rod magazine showed a GT that crashed right by their offices in SOCAL. So yes, it is still happening although not as often because most are not driven as pointed out previously.
They are particularly dangerous on cold mornings because a stock one can make 600 RWHP in those conditions and the tires are near glass transition temps.
They were 550 at the crank stock, I find it hard to believe it's going to make 600 rwhp on a cold morning.
__________________
Superformance specific forum check it out!

http://spfowners.freeforums.net/
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 06-19-2014, 09:25 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,009
Default Rwhp

Quote:
Originally Posted by buddyg View Post
They were 550 at the crank stock, I find it hard to believe it's going to make 600 rwhp on a cold morning.
First of all, intake air temperature has a very big effect on forced induction engines. Ford, as you may or may not recall had a problem with over rating Mustang HP years ago and got burned. Being a normal corporate entity they over reacted in the opposite direction and started being VERY conservative with HP numbers. The 550 GT number was based on worst case conditions and with a safety factor. The other piece of information you are missing is that the Recardo transaxlel loses about 5% HP and torque because of it's excellent design.
A personal friend witnessed the 600 HP pull on a chassis dyno during development of the FGT with a bone stock engine. These cars are not like many we see here where an overly optimistic (phoney) engine dyno HP number is excused by saying 20-25% was lost to driveline and exhaust when a sub par RWHP is measured.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 06-17-2014, 07:27 AM
Dominik's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Cape Town, South Africa/Mainz, Germany,
Cobra Make & Engine: none
Posts: 1,601
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock View Post
Alternatively, you could invest the $250,000 +/- into a 5-star level mutual fund or ETF that earns roughly 15% per year over a 10-year period and also get $1,000,000. There are roughly 100+ high quality mutual funds or ETF's that earn that minimum level (15%) of annual return.

Certainly not risk-free, but neither is owning a $250K +/- car that may (or may not) have the "potential" of being a $1,000,000 car.

Usually, Patrick is the person making these WAG's.
My words! :-)

One could argue that you can't drive the mutual funds, but the answer is to do both:
buy that GT and the funds!
__________________
If I don't respond anymore, that's because I can't log in
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:09 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: