Give up a 991 GT3 for a Superformance GT40?

[RodKnock]

It's all about demographics, Refrigerator White Mike.

The 50, 60 and 70 somethings would check out the replica race car. The younger crowd would say "Hey, there's a PTS (Paint-To-Sample) GT3 with LWB (Lightweight Buckets), blah, blah, blah. 0-60 in 3 seconds, top speed 200mph, 11 second 1/4 mile with the A/C on and stereo blasting Drake or 21 Pilots.

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

It's all about demographics, Refrigerator White Mike.

The 50, 60 and 70 somethings would check out the replica race car. The younger crowd would say "Hey, there's a PTS (Paint-To-Sample) GT3 with LWB (Lightweight Buckets), blah, blah, blah. 0-60 in 3 seconds, top speed 200mph, 11 second 1/4 mile with the A/C on and stereo blasting Drake or 21 Pilots.

I have taken my Ford GT, Cobra and Porsche to several different venues (separately) and you are correct. Younger people are interested in the GT3 because it is a current car that they actually know something about. They have a passing interest in the Ford GT because they do not see them very often and most like the aesthetics. They will walk right by my Cobra unless they hear it running which sometimes changes their opinion. Some are fascinated when they hear that it is an original car because they have never seen anything other than a replica. With older folks it is just the opposite they love the Cobra, like the GT and could care less for the GT3.
I really like the looks of a GT40 but I too am an old fart. I have always been able to overlook physical discomfort for performance but would never do that
just to impress someone else especially if the performance was sub par compared to other vehicles. I have never been a Porsche admirer or fan up till now, but that 991 GT3 does everything so damn well I am amazed. Talk about mechanical perfection, those 9000 rpm shifts are really fun to hear. When I take the Cobra out to run it I have to wear old clothes because I know I am going to be working on something. All I do with the Porsche is add fuel, it is just well engineered and reliable.
I hate to admit it but think the young people have it right, the new stuff is way better.

PS The Cobra is still faster than the GT3, but lots of drama involved.
The Ford GT is also faster on a race course but can't handle more than a few race laps before IAT calls for limp home mode.
The GT3 just keeps on going till you get tired.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11WFjaju59k[/ame]

This video shows how long you can run hard before intake air gets so hot that it goes into limp home mode.

[Bernica]

I was at a college graduation party last month and one of the kid's parents showed up in a 918 Spyder. I have to say, it stopped me in my tracks as soon as I saw it and I just left my family and went to check it out. Quite an amazing piece of machinery to be sure. But to me it's like apples and oranges when comparing to a GT40, Cobra or whatever. There is a place for all of them in this world.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by Bernica

I was at a college graduation party last month and one of the kid's parents showed up in a 918 Spyder. I have to say, it stopped me in my tracks as soon as I saw it and I just left my family and went to check it out. Quite an amazing piece of machinery to be sure. But to me it's like apples and oranges when comparing to a GT40, Cobra or whatever. There is a place for all of them in this world.

yes the 918 is a gorgeous car, some weeks ago one of them was offered in my home " porschezentrum", price was 1.950.000 €, its sold now, delivery price one year earlier was 918.000 €

that leads me the next question what to prefer:
918 or csx2000......

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

yes the 918 is a gorgeous car, some weeks ago one of them was offered in my home " porschezentrum", price was 1.950.000 €, its sold now, delivery price one year earlier was 918.000 €

that leads me the next question what to prefer:
918 or csx2000......

CSX2000, which I'd promptly sell and then buy a 918. I'd use the rest of the money to buy oceanfront acreage in Hawaii.

I'd also help out MHNCO with his rehab bills.

[SFSDFGT]

Originally Posted by Cobra #3170

I have taken my Ford GT, Cobra and Porsche to several different venues (separately) and you are correct. Younger people are interested in the GT3 because it is a current car that they actually know something about. They have a passing interest in the Ford GT because they do not see them very often and most like the aesthetics. They will walk right by my Cobra unless they hear it running which sometimes changes their opinion. Some are fascinated when they hear that it is an original car because they have never seen anything other than a replica. With older folks it is just the opposite they love the Cobra, like the GT and could care less for the GT3.
I really like the looks of a GT40 but I too am an old fart. I have always been able to overlook physical discomfort for performance but would never do that
just to impress someone else especially if the performance was sub par compared to other vehicles. I have never been a Porsche admirer or fan up till now, but that 991 GT3 does everything so damn well I am amazed. Talk about mechanical perfection, those 9000 rpm shifts are really fun to hear. When I take the Cobra out to run it I have to wear old clothes because I know I am going to be working on something. All I do with the Porsche is add fuel, it is just well engineered and reliable.
I hate to admit it but think the young people have it right, the new stuff is way better.

PS The Cobra is still faster than the GT3, but lots of drama involved.
The Ford GT is also faster on a race course but can't handle more than a few race laps before IAT calls for limp home mode.
The GT3 just keeps on going till you get tired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11WFjaju59k

This video shows how long you can run hard before intake air gets so hot that it goes into limp home mode.

Nice driving. What are you using for the intake setup for your Whipple? The GT Guys cold air kit? Something else custom? Or just the factory airbox?

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by SFSDFGT

Nice driving. What are you using for the intake setup for your Whipple? The GT Guys cold air kit? Something else custom? Or just the factory airbox?

Thank you, I made up a spray bar for the intercooler and designed a solid state timer that would turn it on for 5 to 20 seconds every minute depending on outside temp. I used a motor home washer bottle mounted in the front compartment filled with distilled water. That gives me 15 TO 20 minutes of track time. Running 26.5 psi with 105 unleaded. Factory air box with intake support,
The big problem is the blower heating intake air.
Just as I chicken lift going into 1 it is 194 mph and a little over 150 under the bridge, really stout acceleration for a non turbo car. I also have AP rotors, Carbotech pads and spring rates roughly 2 times higher than stock.

[SFSDFGT]

Originally Posted by Cobra #3170

Thank you, I made up a spray bar for the intercooler and designed a solid state timer that would turn it on for 5 to 20 seconds every minute depending on outside temp. I used a motor home washer bottle mounted in the front compartment filled with distilled water. That gives me 15 TO 20 minutes of track time. Running 26.5 psi with 105 unleaded. Factory air box with intake support,
The big problem is the blower heating intake air.
Just as I chicken lift going into 1 it is 194 mph and a little over 150 under the bridge, really stout acceleration for a non turbo car. I also have AP rotors, Carbotech pads and spring rates roughly 2 times higher than stock.

I am surprised that your factory airbox is sufficient to flow enough air to support that kind of boost & power. I just put a 4.0L Whipple on my GT, and have been figuring out how to have my local fabricator make a better intake setup, similar to the GT Guys, only better. So many people have said that the factory airbox is a major power limiter once you go Whipple. People have told me that they picked up anywhere from 2-4 psi of boost just by either drilling holes in the bottom of their airbox, or going with a dual-conical filter/dual snorkel type setup.

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by SFSDFGT

I am surprised that your factory airbox is sufficient to flow enough air to support that kind of boost & power. I just put a 4.0L Whipple on my GT, and have been figuring out how to have my local fabricator make a better intake setup, similar to the GT Guys, only better. So many people have said that the factory airbox is a major power limiter once you go Whipple. People have told me that they picked up anywhere from 2-4 psi of boost just by either drilling holes in the bottom of their airbox, or going with a dual-conical filter/dual snorkel type setup.

I am sure you are correct, Whipple kept telling me they were going to develop a carbon fiber air box that would solve all problems and I waited and waited. They never made one. Car made 862 rwhp which was more than enough for most road courses but a better air box would have been nice. Did you install fuel pump boosters?

[SFSDFGT]

Originally Posted by Cobra #3170

I am sure you are correct, Whipple kept telling me they were going to develop a carbon fiber air box that would solve all problems and I waited and waited. They never made one. Car made 862 rwhp which was more than enough for most road courses but a better air box would have been nice. Did you install fuel pump boosters?

Yes, JMS brand. I had the GT Guys do the install last year just before Rally X, when I needed some service done anyway. Along the Whipple, did injectors, Accufab throttle body, Cooltech exhaust, new SPEC clutch, lowered 1 inch, SpeedHut gauges (originals working, safely packed away), all fluids flushed and changed, new belts, etc. Did 754 rwhp on 100 octane and 19 psi boost. But I am not impressed with their tune- very safe/rich. Once I get the intake improved, I expect 780-800 rwhp on pump gas. My GT500 with a 3.4 Whipple makes 751 rwhp on same fuel, same boost, so the GT should do at least as well with the 4.0 Whipple, considering it has more cam, more fuel and injector capacity, less driveline loss, etc. But now I am doing a total rebuild on my GT500 engine, including cams, so it is a constant horsepower war between these two in my garage. But my cross-ram 572 hemi trumps them both.