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FIA-ERA · #41 (**permalink**) 03-24-2010, 05:09 PM

What do they say about a car that is already titled from another state? Just curious. I know here in Ga. you can't get one title at all, at the moment. They are still trying to figure out what they are going to do. I have heard horror stories from many here and it all sounds the same. Now, from what I here that's only if you want a title. I understand some guys just go down and just "register" it with the VIN verified and just get a tag. It's only when you want a title that this gets crazy. I have a ERA FIA car that is titled as a 1965 and has a 1969 351W in it with no problems BUT it was originally titled in the state of Washington. I had a guy that was interested in mine from France once too. The only way he could get a Replica into France was with a Title showing 1965. So their even crazy over there too. Good Luck! Matt

Don · #42 (**permalink**) 03-24-2010, 05:22 PM

When I bought my Cobra, it was legally registered and titled, not from a Title company, in another state as a 1965 Ford. When the CT inspectors realized it was a kit car, would not accept the out of state registration and title. I wanted to handle as a transfer rather than a kit car registration/inspection process.

However, all the paperwork was in order to pay the sales tax, no questions.

lloyds1 · #43 (**permalink**) 03-24-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ng8264723

The insurance with out of state may be problematic when the time or if the time comes for a claim. I'm not willing to risk that. As far as the OT I meant 80 hours over last month

I don't believe insurance carriers care where the car is registered as long as you disclose where it is really garaged and used (you can be upfront with them). As long as they are getting the correct premium based on where it is actually garaged and used, why would they care what state you register it in? It has nothing to do with the way they calculate risk.

Technically this is not legal because MA wants the tax, but having a improperly registered vehicle is not a big deal, and even if a cop were to somehow figure it out (which they wont) because all you have to say is that you own another house in whatever state it is registered in. So, if i were you I would register it in NH or VT and call it a day. I think in VT it can all be done through the mail, you don't even need to go there. Also, VT knows people do this and they love it because they get the sales tax.

Randy Rosenberg · #44 (**permalink**) 03-24-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ng8264723

I looked at the ITS website. It seems shady. I wonder if it MA would allow it?

I would avoid it like the plague. It reminds me of Titles Unlimited.

JoeT · #45 (**permalink**) 03-24-2010, 08:35 PM

I have this problem as well. My car HAD a 1965 Florida title and when I bought it and brought it to Mass I could have paid sales tax on an original '65 427 CSX (state wanted $17,000+ in sales tax) It's now titled as a 2005

My block is from a 1984 Ford truck (Crate engine from the engine factory) so "in theory" I only have to comply with 1984 emissions. Should be easy enough, right? Wrong! The date code on my trans is 2005 (a tremec 3650). In 1984, ford didn't have a truck with a 5 speed, so guess what. . . I don't pass.

Oh, and my rear end isn't from a '84 truck, and the gear ratios aren't the same as what what offered in an '84 truck, so guess what. . . I don't pass.

So here are my options as the rules are currently written. I can

1. keep my paperweight in the garage and listen to my wife complain about the pretty car that we can't drive

2. Pull the motor/trans/rear and rebuild my car with a donor motor/trans/rear and look at the pretty paperweight with 2000 miles on it, perhaps selling it t a huge loss

3. sell the car to someone out of state, because I can't sell it here, and it's value has decreased, because the state changed the title from 1965 to a 2005 so my market is smaller

4. Drive with this

and everytime you're out risk a ticket/tow/arrest

The law changed in October 2008, cars that were already in the state at that time were grandfathered BUT they can't sell them, because the grandfathering doesn't transfer to a new owner. So, a new owner would be in the same situation as me

Those of you that have suggested registering the car in another state, we have this awesome website in this state

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/forms/21760.pdf

It's a whistle-blower form, so that the old lady who lives next door/ or the guy down the street that's pissed at your kids can turn you in for not paying your excise tax in the state. They get money for turning you in!!! awesome isn't it?

Don · #46 (**permalink**) 03-24-2010, 09:32 PM

Registering in one state and permanently garaging in another state equals high risk. Besides the sales tax, towns/cities want the annual property tax.

With the high visibility of a Cobra going by, the out of state plates really stand out., specially if it's a 2 plate state and only one attached, probable cause for a traffic stop.

Consequences of a traffic stop or worse an accident, after the license address and registration addresses do not match. Enforcement is well aware of everyone having a residence in another state ( smile )

ng8264723 · #47 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 03:09 PM

Anyone want to buy a highly optioned Cobra with a 482?
$90,000
zero miles
chris

reagen · #48 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 03:49 PM

Looking on ebay at the vin numbers many are registered with a 66 mustang,torino ect
vin tag and title.A dealer has a Supreformance on ebay now with a 66 ford sedan vin
tag and number..........yea i know it's not legal...

Gunner · #49 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ng8264723

Anyone want to buy a highly optioned Cobra with a 482?

Sell the 482.
Buy a nice FE with a '65 or '66 block and a salvage title from a 1966 BB Ford.
Use the difference to pay the registration costs.
Enjoy.

lloyds1 · #50 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Don

Registering in one state and permanently garaging in another state equals high risk. Besides the sales tax, towns/cities want the annual property tax.

With the high visibility of a Cobra going by, the out of state plates really stand out., specially if it's a 2 plate state and only one attached, probable cause for a traffic stop.

Consequences of a traffic stop or worse an accident, after the license address and registration addresses do not match. Enforcement is well aware of everyone having a residence in another state ( smile )

Yeah, but what is the high risk? What can the officer actually do? Worst case is they ask (tell) you to get it registered.........

RodKnock · #51 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 05:05 PM

Chris could have the shortest Kirkham ownership since rsimones.

I would follow Chas' advice. Find whatever you need out there in salvage land, then maybe keep the 482 and install it, once you register your Kirkham with the salvage FE engine. Good luck with whatever you decide.

kgs365 · #52 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 05:16 PM

Chris...hang tight there are folks working to try to get a Sema like law passed. they have been working to incorporate the wishes of the governor I would at least go through the process before you give up the car is more marketable with a title and registration then with out

otto · #53 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 07:09 PM

Hi, i would hold tight for a while, if you go with a 65 dated block you will need the title from that car and install the trans and rear axle with the correct ratio from that car also, that is why i am waiting to do my gt 40, if you pass the state police part and then fail the second part you will still have a 2010 title and more of a mess , hope this helps Bob

Don · #54 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 10:09 PM

" Yeah, but what is the high risk? What can the officer actually do? Worst case is they ask (tell) you to get it registered........."

CT DMV has a Compliance Review Unit for investigating non CT registered vehicles, below. Possible charges would range from no emissions certificate, to non-payment of property tax ( fine + interest payment ), illegal use of registration plates, no front plate , etc.

Buried somewhere in the multitude of CT laws would be the penalties. Might get a written or verbal warning the first time, but after that ? Note, mentions complaints to be received from citizens,( i.e. neighbors that are paying their taxes ) tax assessors ( adds to the Grand List ) and police ( hard not to notice your car )

From the CT DMV web site:

" The DMV's Compliance Review Unit investigates complaints received from the citizens of Connecticut, tax assessors and police departments with regard to vehicles registered out of state by individuals allegedly residing in Connecticut.

" Complaints must be in writing and must include the name of the person and his/her Connecticut address, the state and out-of-state registration number displayed on the vehicle, and any other pertinent information that will assist in our investigation "

" Below are the Connecticut state laws pertaining to this motor vehicle and license violation.:
No motor vehicle shall be operated or towed on any highway, provided any motor vehicle which is validly registered in another state may, for a period of 60 days following establishment by the owner of residence in this state, be operated on any highway without first being registered "

ng8264723 · #55 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 10:22 PM

I'm definately NOT going htrough the effort to pull the motor I just built and installed. I will sell it first. I might try other means. Registrating it in another state is kinda iffy........ I don't like the tattle tale law
chris

JWheaton · #56 (**permalink**) 03-25-2010, 11:06 PM

Putting a Vt. plate on it would be my suggestion. I realize that you don't want to. However, the whole what if scenarios are really just a bunch of what if. The car will not be a daily driver. The opportunity to have it stopped and questioned is minimal as it will only be driven a limited number of miles. Unless this will be your daily driver. At minimum you could consider as a temporary measure until Mass. gets it collective head out of its ass and gets the proper rules in place.

Trueoo7 · #57 (**permalink**) 03-26-2010, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Don

" Yeah, but what is the high risk? What can the officer actually do? Worst case is they ask (tell) you to get it registered........."

CT DMV has a Compliance Review Unit for investigating non CT registered vehicles, below. Possible charges would range from no emissions certificate, to non-payment of property tax ( fine + interest payment ), illegal use of registration plates, no front plate , etc.

Buried somewhere in the multitude of CT laws would be the penalties. Might get a written or verbal warning the first time, but after that ? Note, mentions complaints to be received from citizens,( i.e. neighbors that are paying their taxes ) tax assessors ( adds to the Grand List ) and police ( hard not to notice your car )

From the CT DMV web site:

" The DMV's Compliance Review Unit investigates complaints received from the citizens of Connecticut, tax assessors and police departments with regard to vehicles registered out of state by individuals allegedly residing in Connecticut.

" Complaints must be in writing and must include the name of the person and his/her Connecticut address, the state and out-of-state registration number displayed on the vehicle, and any other pertinent information that will assist in our investigation "

" Below are the Connecticut state laws pertaining to this motor vehicle and license violation.:
No motor vehicle shall be operated or towed on any highway, provided any motor vehicle which is validly registered in another state may, for a period of 60 days following establishment by the owner of residence in this state, be operated on any highway without first being registered "

In particular your last paragraph:
So what happens with all the older people that maintain 2 residences and come here for the spring/summer months and then go back in the winter?
Are they re-registering everytime they move? I don't think so.

kgs365 · #58 (**permalink**) 03-26-2010, 06:18 AM

JWheaton's post nailed it!....do something temporary until the state fixes it...you have people that have cars that can't sell them in Mass becuase the next buyer will not be able to register the car?....doesnt make sense....continue the build...register in another state enjoy 3-6,000 miles a year and wait

slider701 · #59 (**permalink**) 03-26-2010, 06:45 AM

Register it to my address in Dallas, TX............I'll even pay the registration for you as long as I can store it for you from November to March

Ron61 · #60 (**permalink**) 03-26-2010, 07:12 AM

I am sure that things are much different back there, but I live about 1 1/2 hours drive from the Oregon border. Several years ago everyone around here was registering their motor homes, pickups, and replicas in Oregon. Then the state cracked down and any vehicle with an Oregon plate was stopped and checked. Fines were very large, plates were confiscated, and the drivers were placed on probation. Now motor homes aren't daily drivers either, but the pickups were. If you had property in Oregon and could produce receipts for utilities and such where you had lived there for 1/2 year, then it was ok. Now I don't see many vehicles with Oregon plates except those that are actually traveling through from Oregon. One person that registered his Cobra in Oregon using a friends address had to spend a bunch of money to keep them from taking the car. Myself, it isn't worth the risk to do something like that unless you live in the other state part of they year.

Ron