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06-17-2010, 11:19 AM
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All good information and advice. If you had a 427 block not the 428 I would say keep that. It would be a regret to put the 428 in that is for sure- even if it were free and you just lost all your money to "Hope & Change". Go 427- it is the soul of the car! I have all iron 427 S/O but I have less than 5K in the damn thing and all I need. But when Kirkham get the all the bad guys out of congres and they finish the billet 427 block that is what it will have. If I bought new I would go all aluminum. Good luck with the build.
Is it going to be your car or an investment for resale?
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06-17-2010, 12:22 PM
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But when Kirkham get the all the bad guys out of congres and they finish the billet 427 block
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... and i thought you guys liked the BP bashing ?!
  
actually, dont understand the comment? Does KMP back the republican party? |
06-17-2010, 01:22 PM
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Naw...Da Boys create their own parties. 
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06-17-2010, 01:24 PM
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[quote=Bernica;1058998]
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
...... It's like a adult female model sitting on the front of your car. 
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Well...that's one way to cover up a Shelby emblem.
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06-17-2010, 02:05 PM
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Naw...Da Boys create their own parties. |
Their own Tea Parties. |
06-17-2010, 02:07 PM
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Their own Tea Parties. |
lol - got dat one! 
still dont get the kirkham one - must be lost in translation. |
06-17-2010, 02:17 PM
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Entertaining thread.............
Some of the information is even correct.
Then there's Ernie
Only 1 of these engines cost over $25,000. Dry sump oiling & efi can do that. |
06-17-2010, 02:46 PM
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Entertaining thread.............
Some of the information is even correct.
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Mike,
Despite the cast of characters, you really should spend some time here-it can be beneficial to your business-as Barry, Keith and Brent have found out. So should Tom Lucas and George. You could straighten out a lot of BS about Shelby blocks and heads-since you
R & D'd them.
My Shelby heads are still great and going strong. -Thanks for a great job.
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06-17-2010, 03:28 PM
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What BS would that be Chas? The issues, procedures and requirements are well known and well documented for a Shelby alloy build.
We could argue about dollar number till the cows come home. But I still say the majority of folks going with a Shelby alloy motor will be pushing $25K, or better, by the time they pay for shipping, installation, final tuning and accessories.
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06-17-2010, 04:19 PM
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What BS would that be Chas? The issues, procedures and requirements are well known and well documented for a Shelby alloy build.
We could argue about dollar number till the cows come home. But I still say the majority of folks going with a Shelby alloy motor will be pushing $25K, or better, by the time they pay for shipping, installation, final tuning and accessories.
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Yes, we could argue forever and you're still keeping the argument going.
You went from ALL CSX block owners spending more than "X" to a majority.
Ernie, now you're adding shipping, installation final tuning and accessories? Where do you stop? Tires and alignment? Installation of the headers and exhaust? The installation of carpet? How about the cupholder and car cover? I must be over $25,000 now, right?
The KC engine advertised with the CSX block is $19,300 with dyno tune. Shipping is probably another $500 I would guess. Holy cow. I know you want one. |
06-17-2010, 05:18 PM
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Headers and sidepipes, good call.
The only BS on this thread is the supposition you can have a running, installed ready to go shut the hood and done Shelby alloy for under $20K. Uh huh, thats a fools dream.
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06-17-2010, 05:27 PM
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Hear that Mike? Ernie says you're full of sh!t.
BTW, Gale Banks made an appearance at our local concours a couple of weeks ago.
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06-17-2010, 05:28 PM
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The BS I refer to Ernie, is NOT anything to do with your cost discussions in this thread. I want no part of cost related issues.
I'm asking Mike to share his inside knowledge of the parts-their designs, strengths, weaknesses, power capabilities, machining and assembly procedures-in short all the TECHNICAL side of the parts. There's been a lot of misinformation over the years here.
Barry and Keith don't have all day to post info about these things but if more guys were here (Tom, George, Mike, Draille, Rob McQ, Bogoshian) a broader base of correct info would benefit us all. Even Rick could shed a lot of light having built 2 blocks, but he doesn't have all day for that either.
I didn't include Jim Dove, who is a nice man but I think his reputation here is too damaged to gain credibility.
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06-17-2010, 05:35 PM
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06-17-2010, 05:45 PM
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Yeah I know-but even Joe Sherman's got a website...
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If you had a 427 block not the 428 I would say keep that. It would be a regret to put the 428 in that is for sure- even if it were free and you just lost all your money to "Hope & Change".
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WHAT??........ He said he had a 462 stroker kit so he's building a stroker. What difference does it make if he starts with a 427 or 428 block? It's a 462 stroker FE. Put cross bolt mains in it & you're all set.
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Well the bore size of the 428 does limit the size of intake valves. Note that the Shelby KC is offering comes with the big valves, 2.19 I believe they were. That won't clear a 428 bore.
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06-17-2010, 10:20 PM
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Quote:
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Headers and sidepipes, good call.
The only BS on this thread is the supposition you can have a running, installed ready to go shut the hood and done Shelby alloy for under $20K. Uh huh, thats a fools dream.
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You changed the rules of the game right in middle of the game. From cost to build to fully dressed and completely installed. You also went from $30K to $25K. You're all over the map. 
The NOS sideoiler is $4,500. A Shelby block may be $6K with studs. I, ME, MYSELF, would still take the aluminum Shelby block every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Less than $20K delivered to your door Ernie. Take out the plastic. Operators are standing by to take your order. Call now! |
06-17-2010, 10:35 PM
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What was the original question?
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06-18-2010, 05:20 AM
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Quote:
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Well the bore size of the 428 does limit the size of intake valves. Note that the Shelby KC is offering comes with the big valves, 2.19 I believe they were. That won't clear a 428 bore.
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Ernie, What's wrong with a 2.09 size valve? That won't breathe enough to power his Cobra?
He said he's already got a service block & a 462 stroker kit. I say build it. Do cross bolt mains & screw in freeze plugs & it looks like a 427 anyway. Since he wants a stroker who cares what block it is. If money is no object & he wants a Shelby block, then do a Shelby Block. 20K does buy you a built Shelby Block with E-Brock heads from one builder & 22.5K gets you the shelby block & Shelby heads with 2.25 valves from another builder.
If he's got an extra 20K or so laying around collecting dust then go for it. If he is on a budget then run what you brung. There's nothing wrong with a built 428 service block in a street car. Will he recoup the 20K+ at sale time because it's got a Shelby block? I highly doubt it.
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