Coyote 5.0L in a Kirkham?

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I have a mod motor also, the coyote is a plastic engine thus the $6000 pricetag, soon to be in every junk yard known to man, just like previous 5.0. the engine, does look good under the hood, but 419 hp is laughable when it comes to FE power, with no tq to boot, the FE could pull your motorhome.

Sounds to me you are worried the new Coyote motor will undercut the want for your "cammer race motor"........Honestly,you built your car the way you wanted, why put down someone else for wanting to do so,but with their money. My ERA 289FIA has a mildly modified 4.6L 32V FI motor, it is not for everyone, but suits me just fine. Have thought about upgrading to the Coyote motor,but decided in the long run it's not in the card for the car at this time.

Bill S.

PS: My car is also for sale, wonder who's will sell first, yours with the not so street friendly cammer "race" motor, or mine with the street friendly, yet quite powerful 4.6L 32V mod motor

[Avmaviator]

Originally Posted by SpecOp1

Wow no elitism here .....

Who/what are you refering to? I started this whole thread, and after seeing the list of mods needed to be done to the chassis to put the Coyote, I quickly said no. And frankly, I'm super happy and glad we went the all alum FE.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Sounds to me you are worried the new Coyote motor will undercut the want for your "cammer race motor"........Honestly,you built your car the way you wanted, why put down someone else for wanting to do so,but with their money. My ERA 289FIA has a mildly modified 4.6L 32V FI motor, it is not for everyone, but suits me just fine. Have thought about upgrading to the Coyote motor,but decided in the long run it's not in the card for the car at this time.

Bill S.

PS: My car is also for sale, wonder who's will sell first, yours with the not so street friendly cammer "race" motor, or mine with the street friendly, yet quite powerful 4.6L 32V mod motor

If is was I was worried, I would pull out the cammer, put in a $6000 coyote and sell the cammer for $10,000 , I love smart ass remarks from the people who dont read threads, I love the coyote, just not in a Kirkham. Remember I was the first to have a superformance with a Mod motor, Its awesome, coyote, cammer, or 4.6 dohc, either way, not in a kirkham.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Avmaviator

Who/what are you refering to? I started this whole thread, and after seeing the list of mods needed to be done to the chassis to put the Coyote, I quickly said no. And frankly, I'm super happy and glad we went the all alum FE.

Good choice, i'm sure your car is awesome, I hope my Kirkham comes out a bad ass as yours. (I wouldnt put a cammer dohc, or coyote in a Kirkham either)

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

If is was I was worried, I would pull out the cammer, put in a $6000 coyote and sell the cammer for $10,000 , I love smart ass remarks from the people who dont read threads, I love the coyote, just not in a Kirkham. Remember I was the first to have a superformance with a Mod motor, Its awesome, coyote, cammer, or 4.6 dohc, either way, not in a kirkham.

I'll bet you weren't

but i understand your sentiment

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

If is was I was worried, I would pull out the cammer, put in a $6000 coyote and sell the cammer for $10,000 , I love smart ass remarks from the people who dont read threads, I love the coyote, just not in a Kirkham. Remember I was the first to have a superformance with a Mod motor, Its awesome, coyote, cammer, or 4.6 dohc, either way, not in a kirkham.

I heard the same thing about butting a Mod motor in an ERA, but look, it's there,and built way before you thought of putting your cammer in an SPF.

Others have thought it, but I'll post it:

Me thinks you protest too much

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

I heard the same thing about butting a Mod motor in an ERA, but look, it's there,and built way before you thought of putting your cammer in an SPF.

Others have thought it, but I'll post it:

Me thinks you protest too much

I probably do, my cronies and I thought the same of you, Im glad you speak for others.

[RestoCreations]

Originally Posted by WardL

OK, stand corrected as I misspoke. What I meant to say, is a small block Dart Block 427 gets a better resale price than a FE427. Yep, I probably lit a fuse there! Basically, do you prefer to have a 427 with less weight and less originality or a heavier block with more originality? The resale price decides and so I'll say it succinctly: A Dart block 427 Cobra has higher resale than a FE 427. I agree with DougD, we have little originality in our replicas (replicas are awesome Cobras!) and no one in their right mind would tell me "Oh Ward L, that engine doesn't cut it dude!" Ha, Ha, Ha! They are both incredible engines! You are just going to pay more for a Dart block. Ding, Ding, your turn....

Ummm, I prefer my big ass 427 to 527FE stroker all aluminum Shelby motor over a 427 Windsor any day of the week. Ive never driven anything like this car. It's a real joy and the torque is something a small block could never produce without twin turbos. A dart block does not have a higher resale than an FE. That is laughable.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by RestoCreations

Ummm, I prefer my big ass 427 to 527FE stroker all aluminum Shelby motor over a 427 Windsor any day of the week. Ive never driven anything like this car. It's a real joy and the torque is something a small block could never produce without twin turbos. A dart block does not have a higher resale than an FE. That is laughable.

I would love to drive a 527FE, you could actually get them over 600ci, that would be huge, does anyone have one, 600ci FE, ?

[RestoCreations]

I should correct my previous post. What i meant to say was that a 427FE is more desirable on any given day than a dart windsor stroker. I Can see where some people would prefer the 427 stroker over a standard 390FE or 428Fe, especially if it had cast iron heads. However, I personally would still prefer a stroker 428FE, build correctly for enjoyment with aluminum heads, etc, over a small block stroker and would be willing to pay a good bit more for that engine. However, i still do not believe that a windsor motor would ever command more money than a 427Fe, unless you are at Barrett-Jackson where people are highly intoxicated and clueless as to what they are bidding on.

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by RestoCreations

However, i still do not believe that a windsor motor would ever command more money than a 427Fe, unless you are at Barrett-Jackson where people are highly intoxicated and clueless as to what they are bidding on.

LMAO! Nailed that one man!

[RestoCreations]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I have a mod motor also, the coyote is a plastic engine thus the $6000 pricetag, soon to be in every junk yard known to man, just like previous 5.0. the engine, does look good under the hood, but 419 hp is laughable when it comes to FE power, with no tq to boot, the FE could pull your motorhome.

Since i have been sucked into this thread....I'll go ahead and chime in on this post as well.

Actually, the only plastic portion of the engine is the cheesy intake manifold, coil pack covers, and dress up kit. The bottom end of these engines are really solid and built to handle a lot of power. However, if anybody is looking at putting one into their replica or kit, then you should probably avoid the stock Chinese made 6 speed manual and go with a TKO600 or T-56 Magnum. I think Ford managed to make the price low due to economies of scale.

And again, i will say that while the mod engines do look nice in some kits/replicas, I do not think they belong in a Kirkham. I understand that the Kirkham has upgraded suspension, etc. but still, it is an accurate hand formed aluminum bodied car replicating the originals and something about a coyote motor, 4.6L, or 5.4L sitting under the hood makes me a little nauseous.
I do think the engine in this video is very cool though and would definitely want to install a mod motor like this in one of the less expensive cars. The 5.0 looks really good with the Roush or ford racing supercharger installed, but that almost doubles the cost of the motor.

Roush Coyote 5.0 with a Supercharger - YouTube

[SinCityJets]

Hey there....FNG here. I just ordered a BDR with the Coyote. In regards to the BDR, it was about investment/return. However, in regards to the Coyote, it was about tinkering, lack of knowledge and/or skill. I want to buy the car, push the buttin, and go. I am not a mechanic by trade and just don't want to have to screw around with a carbed engine. I also liked the reliability, fuel mileage, and the fact that YES, IF I blow the motor (for whatever reason) it is a $6k replacement.

To me, ALL these cars are over-priced chassis with beautiful fiberglass bodies (most of them), so whay not enjoy other modern comforts. You still get the great sound, great power and performance. There really is NO downside to the Coyote.

Just my .04 (I live in Vegas and bet my .02 on black.....and WON!)

Chad

[lovehamr]

Chad I understand your point of view and can go with it with some exceptions. For ME the sound of a Coyote isn't even close to a BB so that would be a down side for ME as would be opening the hood with a stock Coyote. Being a natural tinkerer, playing with the mechanics is all part of the fun foe ME as well. However there are times, like after fighting with replacing a rear hub bearing for 2 days, that I'd like the simplicity of a new car! Of course all of those "ME"s are just there just because those are only my points of view and (like that orifice) we all have one.

Steve

[mreid]

Originally Posted by RestoCreations

I should correct my previous post. What i meant to say was that a 427FE is more desirable on any given day than a dart windsor stroker. I Can see where some people would prefer the 427 stroker over a standard 390FE or 428Fe, especially if it had cast iron heads. However, I personally would still prefer a stroker 428FE, build correctly for enjoyment with aluminum heads, etc, over a small block stroker and would be willing to pay a good bit more for that engine. However, i still do not believe that a windsor motor would ever command more money than a 427Fe, unless you are at Barrett-Jackson where people are highly intoxicated and clueless as to what they are bidding on.

That is true, unless it is in a 289 body style. Also, it amazes me what you can find if you are willing to buy a rust bucket in order to get the gem hiding under the hood. A friend in CT building an ERA bought a beat up Ford plow truck with a broken axle and trashed tranny for $300. In it was a high mileage 428 on its virgin build ready for a rebuild. That same seller had a 5.0 in a wrecked Mustang that also need a rebuild that he was selling for $1000. Go figure...

[Slick61]

Originally Posted by Avmaviator

Should I even dare mention the two together? To be honest we are throwing around this idea for our build right now... We have two quotes for 452s currently with reputable engine builders, but we are also looking into this Coyote engine. There is currently a video out there of a Superformance with one in there, and it works pretty darn well.
The question is, would it fit in there? I know we can still use a TKO-600 with that engine but I'm not sure what are the physical dimension differences between the engines (working on getting those numbers).

Anyways, would we get lynched for doing this?

... totally digging the coyote/Kirkham combination... I think it's a great idea... great power, great driveability, great reliability, and even great mileage... a modern interpretation of an iconic automobile. Obviously, the roller/engine combination is a highly sentimental subject to many. Stick to your guns & build it the way YOU want it!

Reading through all these posts has been quite amusing. There's certainly no shortage of opinions, that's for sure! I have my own opinions as well... I like your idea... and hope you follow through with it... I think I'll stop there.

[RestoCreations]

If 289 is to original Gt350 as supercharged 5.0 modular is to modern day GT350 and 428FE is to original GT500 as Supercharged 5.4L Modular motor is to current GT500, then one must conclude that it is only logical to use a 5.4L supercharged Shelby Modular engine in a 427 bodied Kirkham, if a mod motor is so desired.

[berzerko]

Originally Posted by RestoCreations

If 289 is to original Gt350 as supercharged 5.0 modular is to modern day GT350 and 428FE is to original GT500 as Supercharged 5.4L Modular motor is to current GT500, then one must conclude that it is only logical to use a 5.4L supercharged Shelby Modular engine in a 427 bodied Kirkham, if a mod motor is so desired.

exactly although it seems everyone has an option, but if you truly feel that a gt 500 5.4 was not exotic enough for a kirkham you could spend extra on a 5.4 ford gt mod although visually I'm not sure you could tell the difference

[Avmaviator]

Originally Posted by Slick61

... totally digging the coyote/Kirkham combination... I think it's a great idea... great power, great driveability, great reliability, and even great mileage... a modern interpretation of an iconic automobile. Obviously, the roller/engine combination is a highly sentimental subject to many. Stick to your guns & build it the way YOU want it!

Reading through all these posts has been quite amusing. There's certainly no shortage of opinions, that's for sure! I have my own opinions as well... I like your idea... and hope you follow through with it... I think I'll stop there.

Well, I did not follow through with it, mostly because one night, I went out in the garage and saw this...


I got to say I had been drinking a bit but that message was enough for me to choose which direction to go.
But seriously, after seeing the mods needed, and several other factors, I went with an FE and am pretty darn happy with it

[Cashburn]

That new 5.8 would be a winner... The 2013 Shelby GT500 actually has a top speed of 202 MPH