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11-27-2019, 08:08 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Bellevue,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Everett-Morrison 514, Toploader 4 sp, Jag IRS
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Originally Posted by cycleguy55
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The Concentric Circle Theory (well almost)! I like it, all summed up in a simple chart. Maybe warrants its own sticky! 
Happy Thanksgiving all! Brent
Last edited by EM-0785; 11-27-2019 at 11:08 PM..
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11-27-2019, 10:17 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: St. Lucia, West Indies,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 427SC 383 stroker
Posts: 3,782
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Sooo - is a 1969 Mustang any less of a mustang than a 1965 Mustang? Let alone a 2019 model. We need to get the ---- over ourselves and realize that the world moves on.
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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the strength to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. -(wasn't me)
BEWARE OF THE DOGma!! Dogmatism bites...
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11-27-2019, 11:34 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Adelaide,
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Cobra Make, Engine: AP 289FIA 'English' spec.
Posts: 13,152
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Ahh...this is great! Back to the old days of the forum. A little bit of excitement; some incentive to log on to see who's said what 
And no interest from the moderator! This could go on for a few months before we lose interest, and the upside is that nobody gets banned
Just pouring myself a glass of red.
Here's cheers! |
11-28-2019, 01:52 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,756
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First time Cobra buyers-READ THIS
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11-28-2019, 06:21 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,756
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Originally Posted by ERA 626
A Shelby cobra is in FACT a Shelby cobra.. any one who disagrees has a numb skull. are the continuation original 60's cars? no.
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Just a friendly poke as I was reviewing the Carroll Shelby history for a friend writing an article for a newspaper and seemed to get a little off track when I stumbled across the following:
CSL (Carroll Shelby Licensing) officially shows the CSX6000 series as " CSX6000-series continuation of the CSX4000 series".
So while you do own a car licensed by CSL, you actually own a continuation series of a continuation series cobra replica, produced under license by Superformance Inc, and marketed by CSL for Shelby American as a CSX6000 series "component car"    .
All friendly busting of chops aside, you do have a beautiful car on your hands. May you get as much enjoyment out of it that you so desire.
Sincerely,
Bill S.
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11-28-2019, 08:17 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Uhhhh, how many pieces of an original CSX3xxx car would I need to graft on to my ERA before I could call it an original Cobra?  |
11-28-2019, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlsbad,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 2932 with 438 Lykins Motorsports engine. Previous owner of FFR 5452.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
Uhhhh, how many pieces of an original CSX3xxx car would I need to graft on to my ERA before I could call it an original Cobra? |
All of them.
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11-28-2019, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Danville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 6079 482CI CSX cross ram
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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys
Oh no, not again. There will be nothing new said because all of this has already been said at least 10 times.
If you have a CSX you have a REAL SHELBY COBRA, just not an ORIGINAL SHELBY COBRA. In most cases the uneducated are asking for an answer to the latter question.
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well said, I really don't understand why people to get this... SMH |
11-28-2019, 11:18 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Now, when people ask me, "is that real?" I tell them "you bet it is! and what's more, this was Carrol's personal Cobra that he hand built himself." They then take pics, call their friends, go away happy and I feel better about the whole exchange. |
11-28-2019, 11:20 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Las Vegas,
NV
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ERA 626
well said, I really don't understand why people to get this... SMH
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The interesting thing was when I had my car it happened almost every time I took it out. Most had no idea what the car was or even who Shelby was, only that they had never seen one before so they got the short history lesson of the 60's versions and the continuation cars still being made by Shelby. Others said (and I'm not kidding) "Carroll Shelby still makes cars? I thought he was dead". No kidding. Others weren't any more interested than had it been a Model T and just knew it had to be "old" but weren't really interested in knowing the gory details just the basics. With the "Ford V Ferrari" movie the interest in Cobras might be greater now for a while.
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11-28-2019, 11:33 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Remember, it's not the reality of what they're seeing that matters but rather the perception of what they're seeing. If they believe it to be real, then it is real... to them, at least. |
11-28-2019, 06:44 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: (Beautiful) Sequim,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Pacific Roadster, 347 cu.in. 5-speed
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Still the best one I've heard 'Is it real? Then you see it too' Cheers TommyRot. |
11-29-2019, 01:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Yep, a CSX 4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 is a good old replica. No disrespect taken at all.
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how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all
all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras
not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name
nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties |
11-29-2019, 04:41 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peterpjb
how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all
all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras
not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name
nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties
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Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents.
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11-29-2019, 05:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents. |
true, but that doesn't diminishes the stated facts |
11-29-2019, 06:44 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Unique Fresh 427 S/O
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Another question I often hear is "what year is it?"
I tell them it's a 1965 Shelby Cobra replica built in 2002.
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11-29-2019, 08:16 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peterpjb
true, but that doesn't diminishes the stated facts
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That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry 
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11-29-2019, 09:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
That it is a "component vehicle" built under license by Superformance or Kirkham (depending on fiberglass or Aluminum) for SAI, yes, I, I agree, 100%. Still does not make it an original Cobra, which would be an original to anyone who was asking the original question, sorry |
csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras
there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts |
11-29-2019, 11:08 AM
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Location: Las Vegas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents. |
And neither are any of the others sold as turnkey cars. Even your beloved ERA and Kirkham come without an engine. Pretty to park in the living room and look at unless you put a power train in it. Like all of them. Somehow this isn't news. Your point is?
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11-29-2019, 11:11 AM
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Location: Las Vegas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peterpjb
csx 4000-9000: real Shelby Cobras
csx 2000-3000: original Shelby Cobras
there is no help for those who either refuse or aren't able to understand differentiated facts
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Yep, we've been trying to get a few people here to grok this fact for years and somehow it just whizzes right over their heads.
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