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02-25-2008, 07:27 PM
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Pretty f'ing cool.
Ti fasteners? Are the Wilwoods heavy? The frame looks so light that it makes other components stand out.
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02-25-2008, 08:05 PM
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"Them damn boys in Provo..."
Stunning...assolutely stunning. 
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02-25-2008, 08:56 PM
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Wouldn't an uber Super Coupe with this frame be the balls? Increased stiffness and better aero. Big billet block with big TWMs or 58 webers. Magnesium tranny case, rear end and bellhousing. Ceramic brakes. That might compare well with some other pricey cars.
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02-26-2008, 04:14 PM
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The longitudinal stiffness of your design is so high (visual guess only) that if someone following is dumb enough to crunch the rear section, both radiators are going to have a serious nose-bleed. All net loads will be transfered to all components. Crumple zones are not obvious.
One of the many non-obvious advantages of mild steel tubing is it's ability to absorb loads and energy thereby; bend, crumple and not break. Wouldn't your uber-stiff design also transfer more long. & lat. loads to the driver's belts, etc?
Definitely a Hans device chassis?
Nevertheless, it is Gloriously Fabuloso!
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02-26-2008, 05:17 PM
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Wow David and Tom,
From what I can tell, that sure is a nice finish on the the aluminum...how did you make it so shiney and pretty???
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02-26-2008, 09:17 PM
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Pretty f'ing cool.
Ti fasteners? Are the Wilwoods heavy? The frame looks so light that it makes other components stand out.
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The Wilwoods are just place holders. I am not sure what we will eventually use on this car...probably Brembos just to keep everything as light as possible.
No titanium fasteners...oh well. They would probably cost more than the chassis!
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02-26-2008, 09:19 PM
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"Them damn boys in Provo..."
Stunning...assolutely stunning. |
Just wait till you see what I have up my sleeve for my next project!
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02-26-2008, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lew Ledyard
Wouldn't an uber Super Coupe with this frame be the balls? Increased stiffness and better aero. Big billet block with big TWMs or 58 webers. Magnesium tranny case, rear end and bellhousing. Ceramic brakes. That might compare well with some other pricey cars.
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Lew, you are sick...and I think I suffer from the same disease!
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02-26-2008, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by What'saCobra?
The longitudinal stiffness of your design is so high (visual guess only) that if someone following is dumb enough to crunch the rear section, both radiators are going to have a serious nose-bleed. All net loads will be transfered to all components. Crumple zones are not obvious.
One of the many non-obvious advantages of mild steel tubing is it's ability to absorb loads and energy thereby; bend, crumple and not break. Wouldn't your uber-stiff design also transfer more long. & lat. loads to the driver's belts, etc?
Definitely a Hans device chassis?
Nevertheless, it is Gloriously Fabuloso!
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Thanks for the kind words. I will try to post some pictures of the chassis for the more subtle points of construction that I haven't talked about yet. We did take crash into consideration, but it is hard to see in the photos. I will post tomorrow on a few of the things we did. Remember, keeping our customer happy, and alive, is a very high priority for us.
David
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02-26-2008, 09:50 PM
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In my bestest Sgt Schultz...I know nothing...nothing at all!
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02-27-2008, 08:23 AM
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Jamo, Next time you see Mark Creed or any of the other stiffs at Lang, Sack & Patch (as we call them) ask if they have ever heard that in a depo?
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02-27-2008, 08:34 AM
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Wow David and Tom,
From what I can tell, that sure is a nice finish on the the aluminum...how did you make it so shiney and pretty??? |
We know this guys YOU!!! who sells us some really cool coolant for our machines that doesn't STINK like BLASER!
I HIGHLY recommend anyone who is looking for coolant to call Mike! (Mike, this is where you post your company details)
Seriously, we are extremely happy with Mike's coolant. It has solved a million problems for us on our aluminum machining.
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02-27-2008, 08:36 AM
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BB,
That is funny! I'd fall off my chair if I were an attorney and heard that.
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02-28-2008, 06:50 PM
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David, I had to register just tell you how truly awesome your 'winter project' is!! ;-) Hard to put into words what I'm feeling -- I know ecellence when I see it and I'm feeling what I felt when I was a teen growing up in Queens, NY, in the early 60s -- recycling newspapers for 35cents/100lbs to be able to buy each monthly issue of Hot Rod Mag and read about all the amazing things going on in the automotive world, especially that of Ford and Shelby, etc.
When I see such a meticulous creation like what you're building -- and how far superior it is to anything from back then (and possibly even now! ;-), it brings that giddy feeling of euphoric excitement and hope and expectation flooding right back in -- just like I was 14 again!
I just wish I had the wherewithall to take one for a spin around Watkins Glen
Kudos!! ...and thankt to Guines for the great pics
Dan
btw, who are the 3 folks in that lead pic? ...thanks. |
02-28-2008, 06:59 PM
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David, I had to register just tell you how truly awesome your 'winter project' is!! ;-) Hard to put into words what I'm feeling -- I know ecellence when I see it and I'm feeling what I felt when I was a teen growing up in Queens, NY, in the early 60s -- recycling newspapers for 35cents/100lbs to be able to buy each monthly issue of Hot Rod Mag and read about all the amazing things going on in the automotive world, especially that of Ford and Shelby, etc.
When I see such a meticulous creation like what you're building -- and how far superior it is to anything from back then (and possibly even now! ;-), it brings that giddy feeling of euphoric excitement and hope and expectation flooding right back in -- just like I was 14 again!
I just wish I had the wherewithall to take one for a spin around Watkins Glen
Kudos!! ...and thankt to Guines for the great pics
Dan
btw, who are the 3 folks in that lead pic? ...thanks. |
Dan,
Thank you very much for the kind words. I certainly hope the car turns out like I have envisioned. It is really a work of art as much as a car. It is hard to explain, but that is what I conceived the project as. Some people put art on their walls--and some guys put it in their garage. Your comments on Hot Rod remind me of the story my mother always tells. My brother Thomas learned to read by reading Hot Rod magazine! When he was 3, that was the only "book" my mom could get him to read. Gas just flows in some people's veins.
The 3 people in the lead pic are, left to right.
Thomas Kirkham, my brother and the man responsible for the incredible stiffness of the chassis.
Peter Brock, designer of the Daytona Coupe
Thomas' wife.
Thanks again for stopping by!
David
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05-14-2008, 09:24 AM
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Hey David, how about an update on the billet car. And let's not forget about the coupe. Pics would be great too  |
05-14-2008, 09:39 PM
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Dang it! I completely missed this party.
Dave,
I know aluminum is your expertise and you have the equipment to do this work. Just out of curiosity (cause I don't have a clue to the anwer) how would a carbon fiber chassis compare on wieght and rigidity?
Without a doubt this is the most beautiful chassis ever built. And "ever" goes both forward and backward in time!
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05-19-2008, 11:55 AM
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David,
Like always, Incredible. Will it be at SEMA?
As for "ultimate Chariot of Fire"
How about a McLaren M8F or a Lola T222!
I have always thought these were the most beautiful open top race cars. To build them with current technology, cylinder heads, turbo, EFI, shocks, brakes and optimized monocoques. To me, the ultimate road cars!!
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05-19-2008, 12:03 PM
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Check out RCR, he's building some stuff very similar.
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Costin bodied Lister or D-Type Jag (short nose) are the most beautiful cars ever made in my opnion. Money no object, that's what I'd like.
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