Government spending.

[Dan40]

The Democrat controlled Congress just asked to increase the National Debt ceiling to $14,290,000,000,000.00.
They raised the ceiling LAST MONTH. Now they want to raise it another $1,896,000,000,000.00
Meanwhile there are rumors the obummer will suggest a 3 year Federal spending freeze tomorrow night.

Does the left hand have any idea where the right hand even is?

To put the Govt spending and this increase in perspective. This new debt ceiling increase will be $107,000,000,000.00 MORE than the total federal expenditure just 10 years ago.
In 2000 we, the Govt, spent a total of $1.789 TRILLION.
Now 2010 they want the ceiling raised $1.896 TRILLION over LAST MONTH'S increase.

If that is not a government totally out of control, what is?

[Wayne Maybury]

I'm not even an American and it scares the crap out of me. I know that governments cannot always have a balanced budget but one has to wonder how long this type of spending will continue before the whole mess implodes.

Wayne

[Ron61]

I read a report on what Obama wants to freeze and to be truthful, I don't think it is going to have any positive impact on the budget as it is just to far in debt for cutting out some minor things. To cut a few hundred million out of a nearly 2 trillion debt isn't going to make a lot of difference. If they are serious about getting this under control then they are going to have to cut the Govt. spending on many big ticket things. I just don't see any way out of this hole that isn't going to be long and painful to everyone.

Ron

[Dan40]

$12.6 TRILLION already spent and behind in our bills. And another $105 TRILLION that we don't have is promised NOW.

Thats $105 TRILLION,000 BILLION,000, MILLION,000 THOUSAND,000 HUNDRED.00 CENTS

[Excaliber]

Getting a handle on the budget is easy. Stop the various war's (like that's gonna happen). Heck THAT is the main reason for the debt right there, Afghan and Iraq.

Kill the space program as well, I could care less if there's water on Mars and speculation about colonating another planet is science fiction we don't need and can't afford. Heck, we can't take care of our own planet, let alone turn Scott S. loose with a chain saw on some other planet.

Did anybody notice we just recently went through the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression? Recovering from that is a huge part of the whole budget thing. Duh, you think it's gonna be cheap digging ourselves out of this hole?

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Getting a handle on the budget is easy. Stop the various war's (like that's gonna happen). Heck THAT is the main reason for the debt right there, Afghan and Iraq.

Kill the space program as well, I could care less if there's water on Mars and speculation about colonating another planet is science fiction we don't need and can't afford. Heck, we can't take care of our own planet, let alone turn Scott S. loose with a chain saw on some other planet.

Did anybody notice we just recently went through the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression? Recovering from that is a huge part of the whole budget thing. Duh, you think it's gonna be cheap digging ourselves out of this hole?

Department of Defense budget 2000 .............................................$267 BILLION [no war?]
Dept of Health and Human services budget 2000..............................$400. BILLION


DOD BUDGET 2009.............................................. .........................$515 BILLION
HHS BUDGET 2009.............................................. .........................$737 BILLION.

If a tile 12" X 12" costs $0.50. How much does it cost to cover 1000 square feet?

[Excaliber]

The cost of both wars is at 1.6 TRILLION up to 2009.

Current costs are 12 BILLION a MONTH.

The cost is expected to DOUBLE by 2017 to over 3.5 TRILLION.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

The cost of both wars is at 1.6 TRILLION up to 2009.

Current costs are 12 BILLION a MONTH.

The cost is expected to DOUBLE by 2017 to over 3.5 TRILLION.

Perhaps you may want to avoid numbers altogether. 12 Billion a month X 12 months = 144 Billion per year. At that rate it would total just over 1 Trillion total by 2017.

HHS with no increase at all will total over 5 Trillion by 2017. Why 2017?

And my numbers came from the US Budget Office. Where'd you get yours, the DNC?

[Excaliber]

It's about 12 billion a month NOW, and rising fast PER MONTH.

Perhaps you should avoid a comparison to HHS. That budget is 1/4 on the ENTIRE US budget. What department would you like to cut? NIH? CDC? Maybe the FDA? Medicare? 1 n 4 Americans recieve direct help through the HHS. It's a ridiculous comparison, but it does illustrate my point, the costs of war are approaching 1/4 of the entire Federal budget.

Not that there is much we can do about the cost of war. Like the cost of HHS. What are you going to cut? No more flak jackets for the troops? No more armored personell carriers? Cut back on the number of helicopters?

[Excaliber]

Here is what Tea Party conventioneer's would like to do about War costs:

Be it RESOLVED that the Boston Tea Party calls for an immediate cease-fire of all military conflict and
Be it RESOLVED that the Boston Tea Party calls for an immediate removal of all military personnel from all foreign nations and
Be it RESOLVED that the Boston Tea Party calls for an immediate closure of all military bases in all foreign nations.

So what are supposed to do, throw rocks at the terrorists when they come ashore?

Tea Party people are WAY beyond "radical".

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

It's about 12 billion a month NOW, and rising fast PER MONTH.

Perhaps you should avoid a comparison to HHS. That budget is 1/4 on the ENTIRE US budget. What department would you like to cut? NIH? CDC? Maybe the FDA? Medicare? 1 n 4 Americans recieve direct help through the HHS. It's a ridiculous comparison, but it does illustrate my point, the costs of war are approaching 1/4 of the entire Federal budget.

Not that there is much we can do about the cost of war. Like the cost of HHS. What are you going to cut? No more flak jackets for the troops? No more armored personell carriers? Cut back on the number of helicopters?

Here are some things found on the ACTUAL Health and Human Services website.

Not a political website but the Government's own HHS site. :


Federally-funded health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance. You pay what you can afford, based on your income. Health centers provide

1. checkups when you're well
2. treatment when you're sick
3. complete care when you're pregnant
4. immunizations and checkups for your children
5. dental care and prescription drugs for your family
6. mental health and substance abuse care if you need it

Health centers are in most cities and many rural areas. Type in your address and click the 'Find Health Centers' button to find health centers near you.



Kinda blows you're whole, "people have no access to health care," bit, doesn't it.

What you are screaming to pass, already exists, without the Government taking over everyone's health care.. Or do you want to argue rhat HHS is making that up?
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HRSA’s mission, as articulated in its Strategic Plan for 2005-2010, is to provide the national leadership, program resources and services needed to improve access to culturally competent, quality health care for uninsured, underserved, vulnerable, and special needs populations. HRSA programs and services target, for example:

* The 46 million Americans who lack health insurance - many of whom are racial and ethnic minorities,
* Over 50 million underserved Americans who live in rural and poor urban neighborhoods where health care services are scarce,
* African American infants who still are 2.4 times as likely as white infants to die before their first birthday,
* The more than 1 million people living with HIV/AIDS, both in and out of care,
* Over 94,000 Americans who are waiting for an organ transplant.

As the Nation’s access agency, HRSA envisions optimal health care for all, supported by a health care system that assures access to comprehensive, culturally competent, quality care.

Overview of Budget Request

The FY 2010 President’s Budget request for HRSA is $7,126,700,000, a decrease of $107,736,000 below the FY 2009 Omnibus level.

A restatement of the first section

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Offices
The subdivisions of the Office of the Secretary provide direct support for the Secretary's initiatives.

* Immediate Office of the Secretary (IOS)
The Immediate Office of the Secretary includes:
o Office of the Deputy Secretary (DS)
Directs operations of the largest civilian department in the federal government.
o Office of the Chief of Staff (COS)
o The Executive Secretariat (ES)
o Office of Intergovernmental Affairs (IGA)
Facilitates communication regarding HHS initiatives with state, local, and tribal governments.
o Office of the Secretary's Regional Directors
Oversees regional and state office directors.
o Office on Disability (OD)
Advises on HHS activities relating to persons with disabilities.
* Assistant Secretary for Administration and Management (ASAM)
Provides leadership for HHS management, including human resource policy, grants management, acquisitions, and departmental operations
* Assistant Secretary for Resources and Technology (ASRT)
Provides advice and guidance to the Secretary on budget, financial management, information technology, grants management, and provides for the direction and coordination of these activities throughout the Department.
* Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH)/ Office of Public Health and Science (OPHS)
Advises the Secretary on matters involving the nation’s public health, oversees the Office of Public Health and Science (OPHS) which serves as the focal point for leadership and coordination across the Department in public health and science, and leads the U.S. Public Health Service (USPHS) Commissioned Corps, providing it with strategic and policy direction.
* Assistant Secretary for Legislation (ASL)
Serves as the primary liaison between the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) and Congress.
* Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation (ASPE)
Directs major activities in policy coordination, legislation development, strategic planning, policy research, evaluation, and economic analysis.
* Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs( ASPA)
Serves as the principle counsel on public affairs matters, conducts a national public affairs program, provides centralized leadership and guidance for public affairs activities, including Web and new media and broadcast communications, within HHS' staff and operating divisions and regional offices, and administers the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act.
* Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR)
Advises on matters related to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies and disasters.
* Departmental Appeals Board (DAB)
Provides prompt, fair, and impartial dispute resolution services with parties related to HHS office issues.
* Office for Civil Rights (OCR)
Enforces Federal laws that prohibit discrimination by health care and human services providers that receive funds from HHS.
* Office of Global Health Affairs (OGHA)
Represents the Department to the governments, other Federal Departments and agencies, international organizations and the private sector on international and refugee health issues.
* Office of Inspector General (OIG)
Protects the integrity of HHS programs, as well as the health and welfare of the beneficiaries of those programs.
* Office Of Medicare Hearings and Appeals (OMHA)
Administers nationwide hearings for the Medicare program.
* Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology (ONC)
Provides counsel to the Secretary of HHS and Departmental leadership for the development and nationwide implementation of an interoperable health information technology infrastructure.
* Office of the General Counsel (OGC)
Represents HHS and offers legal advice on a wide range of highly visible national issues.
* Center for Faith Based and Community Initiatives (CFBCI)
Provides information and technical assistance to help faith-based and community organizations to compete more effectively for Federal fund

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Any wonder why it costs so much?

[Excaliber]

Federally-funded health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance. You pay what you can afford, based on your income.

Kinda blows you're whole, "people have no access to health care," bit, doesn't it.

It show's your complete lack of understanding on how these health center's work and why they can't begin to address the underlaying problem of providing reasonable, affordable and quality health care for those without insurance. You don't have a clue!

Some even provide dental care! Cleaning, basic cavity filling. Need a root canal? Not gonna happen. Need a cap or a rebuild of a damaged tooth? See ya. They will PULL your tooth, but only if it's not to complicated. When your teeth are gone and you need dentures? Sorry, no can do. Same for medical care, just basic care. Got a serious medical issue? Need high dollar drugs for Hep C, cancer or whatever? To bad.

The income requirements are such that the "sliding scale" fee for "free service" means you likely qualify for Medicaid already.

But I'm glad they are there, they offer a good basic service for many.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

It show's your complete lack of understanding on how these health center's work and why they can't begin to address the underlaying problem of providing reasonable, affordable and quality health care for those without insurance. You don't have a clue!

Some even provide dental care! Cleaning, basic cavity filling. Need a root canal? Not gonna happen. Need a cap or a rebuild of a damaged tooth? See ya. They will PULL your tooth, but only if it's not to complicated. When your teeth are gone and you need dentures? Sorry, no can do. Same for medical care, just basic care. Got a serious medical issue? Need high dollar drugs for Hep C, cancer or whatever? To bad.

The income requirements are such that the "sliding scale" fee for "free service" means you likely qualify for Medicaid already.

But I'm glad they are there, they offer a good basic service for many.

Are you seriously telling me, and everyone, that the existing Government program CANNOT do its job. But the new Government program, loaded with thousands of pages of pork, WILL?

The program is already there, if it doesn't work, REFORM THAT! Too simple?

[Excaliber]

Dan your denial of the basic premise that millions of people lack access to adequate health care is a sad commentary for those who lean right. It offers some insight as to why the Republicans have not been able to offer reasonable solutions. They are either in complete denial, like yourself, or simply do not understand the problem. Surgery may be required, to get their heads out of a dark place and reattach it between their shoulders.

These Federally funded community health care centers are few and far between. They are overwhelmed with patients. Often they close because of inadequate funding. They do provide a valuable community service but are hardly the answer to the Nations health care deficit.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Dan your denial of the basic premise that millions of people lack access to adequate health care is a sad commentary for those who lean right. It offers some insight as to why the Republicans have not been able to offer reasonable solutions. They are either in complete denial, like yourself, or simply do not understand the problem. Surgery may be required, to get their heads out of a dark place and reattach it between their shoulders.

These Federally funded community health care centers are few and far between. They are overwhelmed with patients. Often they close because of inadequate funding. They do provide a valuable community service but are hardly the answer to the Nations health care deficit.

I won't ask what planet you wander around on, or even what galaxy its in.

Did you miss the simple statement. There is an existing Govt dept to handle your imagined problem. If its not working, REFORM THAT! If it needs more dollars [Yike!] and/or more outlets, REFORM THAT!

The Feds already have well over 1000 programs that are duplicated by multiple departments, before creating another redundant program, REFORM THAT!

Left wing liars claim there is 500 BILLION in waste and fraud in MEDICARE & MEDICAID, It is a pure unadulterated lie, but if the left wing nutbags can prove it, REFORM THAT!

All of the above ARE ideas put forth by Republicans. All are logical, and all are the steps any successful business would take to become more efficient. But none would increase the power of the left wing Socialists whose total bullsh!t you have swallowed.

The departments are in place, have been for years. Why not REFORM THAT! first?

[Excaliber]

What your talking about is essentially "welfare reform", which does not address those families with inadequate or no coverage.

Reform is not for those on or near welfare standards. It needs to encompass a broader segment of society that extends well beyond the 20 to 40 million currently with NO coverage at all.

Before you can fix something you need to understand the problem.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

What your talking about is essentially "welfare reform", which does not address those families with inadequate or no coverage.

Reform is not for those on or near welfare standards. It needs to encompass a broader segment of society that extends well beyond the 20 to 40 million currently with NO coverage at all.

Before you can fix something you need to understand the problem.

Can you read this?

Federally-funded health centers care for you, even if you have no health insurance. You pay what you can afford, based on your income. Health centers provide

1. checkups when you're well
2. treatment when you're sick
3. complete care when you're pregnant
4. immunizations and checkups for your children
5. dental care and prescription drugs for your family
6. mental health and substance abuse care if you need it [You should personally research this one in great depth."]

Health centers are in most cities and many rural areas. Type in your address and click the 'Find Health Centers' button to find health centers near you.

All of the above from the HHS website.

And the complete BS liberal Democrat pack of lies called health care reform is welfare JUST as much as the EXISTING program is or is not.

When it comes to this subject, your mind is hardened cement. You have drank all the kool aid the liberals have for you to swallow.
You have not a single fact.
You are devoid of any logic.
You are without any viable argument.
You are clinically unable to stay on point.
You display no intelligent debate.
You ignore facts that disprove your position [and they are legion]
That same rock-headedness is why the liberals are self destructing.

You are incurably wrong. I cannot help you, tho I have tried.
Good bye, wallow in your ignorance.

[BeanCounter]

Dan,

He loves the attention. He's the Octomom of Club Cobra. 1/2 of the posts are from him as he goes on and on. I've got to where I only come around about 1/2 the time I used to because of him. CDC gets banned but Ernie pulls worse crap and gets to stay around. I'm going to just ignore him from now on. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by BeanCounter

Dan,

He loves the attention. He's the Octomom of Club Cobra. 1/2 of the posts are from him as he goes on and on. I've got to where I only come around about 1/2 the time I used to because of him. CDC gets banned but Ernie pulls worse crap and gets to stay around. I'm going to just ignore him from now on. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I've had him on ignore before and do again. This time permanently. He cannot carry on an intelligent debate.

Simple fact. Democrats have totally controlled both the House and Senate the entire year BHO's been in office. There was NOTHING Republicans could do to stop passage of any bill the Democraps wanted to pass. They did not pass health care. Guess the Democraps didn't want it real bad either.

[392cobra]

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'

-Ronald Reagan