Joe's Garage

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Brian, a lot of new energy tech on the horizon, I'm watching Compact Fusion development which will really move this planet into a new era of energy independence - the break-through game changer of all time if it comes to fruition.

Compact Fusion · Lockheed Martin

Tim, thanks for doing your part in preventing your own methane from entering the earth's atmosphere

That's so cute, the and kiddies get you a back to the future dvd?
Ok I guess I'm probably done with this thread. I know I'm dealing with a troll, but a delusional troll??? More than I can bear.
Oh by the way, clue in your brother in arms, he lives in a country whose entire economy is based on mining, minerals, and fossil fuels.
Oh, Joe, might want to have the doc get those meds levels worked out.

[Joe's Garage]

Yes Tim, you are out of your element here so best to run along, don't let the door slam ya in the ass on the way out. I thought the pictures would help as they require no analytical skills to understand, oh well. To your credit you did prove out what Ron White has been saying for years, "you can't fix stupid". Welcome to the 7% idiot club

[cycleguy55]

Although 97 percent of climate scientists insist climate change is real and caused by human actions, 56 percent of Republicans in Congress deny these atmospheric changes, according to Think Progress. Some conservative commentators have gone so far as to describe climate change as a "hoax."

Yet the facts are undeniable. Sea levels and global temperatures are rising (this year is on track to become the hottest on record), glaciers are melting, and ice sheets are shrinking at unprecedented rates. CO2 levels have also shot up dramatically since the Industrial Revolution -- suggesting these events are very likely a product of human activities.

"Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal," the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has declared.

How is it possible to deny this overwhelming evidence that global warming is real and humans contribute to it?

For starters, many leaders and corporations -- such as ExxonMobile -- have a strong financial incentive to ignore the facts. But there are many other subtle reasons why people might turn a blind eye to research. Here's what social scientists have to say about the psychology of climate change deniers.

• They seek out information that confirms their beliefs -- and ignore anything that challenges them.
• They don't trust scientists, and listen instead to high-profile skeptics.
• They get stuck in "echo chambers."

More detail at Why Some Conservatives Can't Accept That Climate Change Is Real

[Joe's Garage]

Ask the 2016 GOP candidates if they believe in evolution
Maybe that's their problem with accepting Climate Change, if fossils don't exist, then fossil fuels can't be a contributor

[bliss]

By the way, Joe - how do you justify owning a Cobra given the low gas mileage, assuming you do own one?

[Joe's Garage]

By the way, Joe - how do you justify owning a Cobra given the low gas mileage, assuming you do own one?

Simple, I'll put about 360 miles/year on it once it's built.

BTW, I already have an electric lawnmower and solar panels on my roof. My daily driver is a 4 cylinder Honda which I drive about 10 miles/week (I'm retired). Go out and look at the traffic on any hwy, 50% or more are SUV's and trucks hauling one passenger. I have no problem at all justifying a limited use cobra for a few years.

[bliss]

So, Joe - you need to reconsider building a Cobra - even at 360 miles per year you are damaging the planet with each mile. It's doubtful that any other climate change supporter has a Cobra in the garage - you may be shunned by your peers. Of course, if you equip the Cobra with an electric 'engine' that will work for you and preserve your progressive status in the hood. Is that your plan?

With that said....

Full speed ahead with drill baby drill. Economic growth and prosperity is the only remedy for any problem that humankind faces.

Political control of our resources would be a disaster and still not fix the problem. This is a ruse from progressives to allocate goods and services.

The idea that we would tax the West to pay poor non-white countries NOT to prosper is immoral and corrupt.

[Joe's Garage]

bliss, I'm not worried about my "peers" as you put it, a quick question to them as to what they drive and how many miles/week should neutralize 90% of 'em.

I wouldn't call me a climate change "supporter", clearly there is more I can do. This thread has largely been if one believes climate change is real and man made. I recognize climate change as real and a CO2 ppm level of 400 proves it's man made. The difference between me and the deniers is I'm not going to complain about it when I'm forced to make some lifestyle changes, I'm already moving in that direction now. As already stated, this is a world problem - if the two big hitters besides us (China with oil & India with coal) don't get on board then future generations will pay the price in a big way, we need China and India or all bets are off.

As for the political angle, how do you build a coalition of countries to support climate change initiatives without world leaders meeting to reach a consensus? If you have a better way to get international buy-in to some plan without them let me know. Once a plan is established how do you implement and control it? If not by a country's governing body then by who? BTW, I doubt the good ol' USA with its' dysfunctional congress will actually lead the effort with climate change (although we are posturing like we are). I see the UK and European block countries taking the lead making us look bad, then maybe we'll get serious with it. Of course, continued weather extremes like we have seen recently may finally tip the scales, loss of property and life tends to be a great motivator.

The idea of taxing the West to pay poor third world countries to avoid prosperity via fossil fuels I don't believe is the case. We all live on the same rock, the longevity of all of its' inhabitants transcends any lagging industrial revolution, particularly when byproducts are found to be detrimental to the planet. However, taxing the west to pay these countries to help them develop and avoid a fossil fuel industrial revolution does make sense. After all, it is us (along with any reasonably developed country) who created the problem. A 3rd world country shouldn't be penalized because we got there first and found out later of the detrimental effects. I believe they do deserve financial aid to not use resources in a way harmful to the planet. This says nothing of tribes, small villages and island communities we already know have been totally displaced do to climate change.

[bliss]

Al Gore would be proud of you, but the Cobra has to go.

[Joe's Garage]

Sen. Jim Inhofe denies climate change, tosses snow ball in Congress, cites the bible to prove global warming isn't real.



What a jackass, they don't come any dumber than that.

With the sudden bang of a gavel Saturday night, representatives of 195 nations reached a landmark accord that will, for the first time, commit nearly every country to lowering planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions to help stave off the most drastic effects of climate change.

Those other countries will embarrass the US into passing laws to meet reduction commitments regardless of who gets elected and there's not a damn thing the deniers can do about it

[bliss]

So now you are citing political stuff - not allowed here so I will not respond with more political stuff.

Mods - let's close this thread.

[cycleguy55]

196 countries agreed to a global pact to reduce emissions as part of the method for reducing greenhouse gas. Their leaders and the vast majority of environmental scientists agreed the issue was pressing enough to negotiate and come to agreement on the issue of global climate change.

OTOH, we have numerous uneducated civilians, non-scientists, politicians and others who ignore the scientific consensus and point to a HANDFUL of naysayers (some even scientists) as the reason to stick their collective heads in the sand (or wedged tightly in their anal sphincters). Well, at least they're in the minority and can therefore do less damage.

[Jamo]

You guys keep up the political stuff (NOT ALLOWED HERE...SEE OTHER CLOSED THREAD...LOSING PATIENCE), and they'll add an addendum to the protocols banning this place due to all of the emissions coming from these pages.