Gun Control

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

Yeah, he's an Aussie, but he makes a lot more sense than the pro-gun, 2nd Amendment babble we hear from way too many people.

Now its a little too late, but what I really should have done is just quoted Cycleguys post of these 2 videos and left it at that.

Finally got around to watching these - have not laughed soo hard in ages. So even if you are "Pro-gun", take 15 minutes and have a watch. It really is worth it for comedy value alone. A little bit of profanity but nothing you haven't heard before.

And seriously Armrer - go back to kindergarten with your 6year old comments. Good job with the Challenger d'head.

[Armrer]

And seriously Armrer - go back to kindergarten with your 6year old comments. Good job with the Challenger d'head.[/quote]

That's the best a self-loathing apologist can do? Wag your finger at someone else, tosser.

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

in 50 years time you will still be seeing the same type of stats saying you are 20 times more likely to die in the US by being shot then any other first world country.

Cheers

that number "may" be true, but it doesn't make you any more likely to die than any other country.

getting back to my initial question of why are "gun deaths" more tragic than deaths by any other instrument? suicide death rates, and homicide rates are statistically insignificant from other "first world countries", so why blame the gun?

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

No one, absolutely NO ONE in Australia drinks Fosters. I dont think you can even buy it at bottle-o's anymore. We used to ship all that $hit to countries that didn't know any better and laugh whenever it was mentioned at being Australian.

Anyway, its going to be interesting when Hillary gets in.

I'd put Fosters and Corona in the same bowl - then flush it. I can't understand why anyone would drink that swill or, for that matter, any number of mass-market brews. Yuck.

[cycleguy55]

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday turned away a challenge by gun rights activists to an ordinance enacted by a Chicago suburb that bans assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.

The refusal by the nine justices to hear the case, coming at a time of fierce debate over the nation’s gun laws following a series of mass shootings, means that the 2013 ordinance passed by the city of Highland Park, Illinois remains in effect. Two of the court’s conservatives members, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, said the court should have taken the case.

NRA Furious As Supreme Court Upholds Common Sense Ban On Assault Weapons «

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by JoeT

that number "may" be true, but it doesn't make you any more likely to die than any other country.

getting back to my initial question of why are "gun deaths" more tragic than deaths by any other instrument? suicide death rates, and homicide rates are statistically insignificant from other "first world countries", so why blame the gun?

There is some truth in what you say Joe. Gun deaths are no more tragic than any other death. However:

* You ARE more likely to die in the USA than any other country. In fact gun deaths alone in the US are 2 times the total rates of homicide in any other 1st world country.

* If you take out gun homicide in the US, then the death per other means is quite similar to 2nd on the list - Finland. But overall, the homicide rates in the US including gun homicide is around 2.5 times that of Finland.

I was in Data analysis for about 18 years so like the number crunching, and can tell you these figures are anything but "statistically insignificant"

[fordracing65]

And you have the best chance to become rich in the USA, I don't see immigrants trying to escape to Australia. lol,

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

No one, absolutely NO ONE in Australia drinks Fosters. I dont think you can even buy it at bottle-o's anymore. We used to ship all that $hit to countries that didn't know any better and laugh whenever it was mentioned at being Australian.

Anyway, its going to be interesting when Hillary gets in.

That's why its funny, you don't even support your own countries products...

[fordracing65]

Americans don't build or produce crap, we take pride in our work and our Country, that is why you all want our engines in your Cobras...

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

And you have the best chance to become rich in the USA, I don't see immigrants trying to escape to Australia. lol,

Perhaps you should open your mind a read a little (please note the article is a bit outdated): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

Perhaps you should open your mind a read a little (please note the article is a bit outdated): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

lol, that's funny, have you seen the Mexican numbers into the USA, it triples that number, and that is just Mexico...please

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

lol, that's funny, have you seen the Mexican numbers into the USA, it triples that number, and that is just Mexico...please

It's all relative - Australia has a much smaller population than the USA, therefore a smaller economy and less capability to take massive numbers of immigrants. In round numbers, the U.S. has average 1 million legal immigrants from 2010-2013, while Australia had 213,000 immigrants in fiscal 2013-2014. IOW, the U.S. allowed in roughly 5x the numbers allowed in by Australia. Bravo.

OTOH, the U.S. had a population of 316 million in 2013, while Australia's estimated population in 2015 is 24 million. The U.S. is therefore 13x larger than Australia - so on a per capita basis Australia is allowing in WAY more immigrants than the U.S. Even if you add in the current estimated illegal immigrants of roughly 300,000 per year, Australia is still taking in more than the U.S., again on a per capita basis.

Don't wrench a shoulder patting yourself on the back.

BTW, recent data indicates more Mexicans have been leaving than arriving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr..._United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illega..._United_States

[fordracing65]

I live in AZ, if they are leaving have not seen it, don't believe the liberal media...lol, or if they are leaving we are deporting them...believe me, TRUMP wants to build a wall to keep people out not stop them from leaving...lol and I don't support Trump, just saying...

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

That's why its funny, you don't even support your own countries products...

Ummmmm.....Fosters is owned by a South African Brewer.

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Americans don't build or produce crap...

Also, somewhat ironically given your views on Fosters, it was invented by a couple of American brothers who moved to Australia from New York in 1886. Probably worried about the gun laws.

Do you want to say anything more on this thread that makes you look just a little bit silly?

Im sure your a great guy though FR65. Have a great xmas and terrific new year brother. Try not to shoot anyone

Cheers

[Ron61]

How long is this inane thread going to keep going. Tenrocca, you love your country and rightly so, but you nor no person from another country has any right or business to come in and start telling us what we should be allowed to do and what we should be allowed to have and not have. Like I told my neighbor who is violently anti gun until the dopers broke in and stole stuff and he asked me to protect him, You just tell them you don't believe in guns and I am sure they will put away their guns and knives and pat you on the back. If you don't like guns then don't get any. I haven't seen anyone in this thread telling you that you have to have a gun. Why are you so set on telling us what we have to do and what we can't have. So you like crunching numbers. This country doesn't have the most killings by far. Try Iraq, Syria, and others like that and I don't want to hear they don't count. This whole thread is as irrelevant as the small block bug block arguments except in those it is normally people that live in the country and actually have some real knowledge of what they are babbling about. So please quit telling me and others in this country what we should and should not be allowed to do or have. Rants over and so is my posting in this ridiculous thread, another thing that Tenrocca said he was going to do pages ago.

Ron

[Tenrocca]

Geez Ron, At no point have I said Australia is better than the US. Both countries have their good and bad points. Any attempted point scoring on other issues has been instigated by others.

Good advice and good information is worthwhile no matter the source. Dont get all high and mighty cos you "aint listening to someone from a another country". Many great ideas have come from someone or somewhere not too connected with the situation.

Likewise to you Ron as I said to FR65. Your probably a top bloke, just think a little differently on this issue. Have a great Christmas mate.

[Jaydee]

Actually, many times that I hear of these shootings, I think, why hasn't anybody got a gun to shoot them. Or even try to tackle the guy. The one in France, he started shooting in the middle of a dance floor full of people, and nobody tackled him. So I guess out of fear, you run. Even whilst the guy is reloading in some situations, nobody does anything out of fear. So I'm asking the question to anyone who's licenced to carry, would you stay and fight?
I agree, I would like to have a firearm in my house if it was easier to obtain. All I have is a crossbow. I think in a way it's sad that in the land of the free, that you need to carry a firearm because you think there's a chance of needing it. I don't consider that as being free. I've seen many videos of people carrying a firearm in the US and then getting hassled by the cops. Overnight your government took away your rights to privacy after 9/11 and can tap your phones, search your house etc. We are only as free as any government lets us.
JD

[kanuck]

Some of my buddies collections, When I am reincarnated I want to come back as Dan Bilzerian.






Dean

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by sea2jet

Almost all of these mass shootings are happening in the states that have the strictest gun control laws. Also, the ones pulling the triggers are almost always liberal in their beliefs.

Wrong.

The ammosexual culture of America will have you believe that unless you live an urban area where gangs of “thugs”... are eagerly looking to kill you and each other, that gun violence is non-existent. They keep their weapons handy just in case one of those “thugs” happens to wander into the place they live, protecting ‘Murika with promised vigilante justice.

They will also tell you that stricter gun laws do nothing but prevent law-abiding citizens from owning guns they may need to shoot back at all the criminals who threaten their existence. How laws designed to allow ONLY law-abiding citizens to buy guns is keeping guns from law-abiding citizens is a bit of a conundrum, but the conservatives have it all worked out in their tiny, shallow minds, so there doesn’t need to be any discussion about it.

In reality, the top ten states for gun violence have some of the easiest gun laws. Many also have fewer residents in their entire state than many of those dangerous urban areas they love to talk about have in their city. All of the states on the list are controlled by Republican legislatures. None of them require any kind of a permit to purchase or own a gun. Most can be considered predominately rural, with some being downright empty, yet still you’re more likely to end up on a slab with a bullet in you than if you live in Illinois, California or New York.

Without further ado, here's the Top 10 list:
10. Tennessee ~15.4 deaths per 100K residents.
9. New Mexico ~15.5 deaths per 100K residents.
8. Oklahoma ~ 16.5 deaths per 100K residents.
7/6 (tie) Montana ~ 16.7 deaths per 100K residents.
7/6 (tie) Wyoming ~ 16.7 deaths per 100K residents.
5. Arkansas ~ 16.8 deaths per 100K residents.
4. Alabama ~ 17.6 deaths per 100K residents.
3. Mississippi ~ 17.8 deaths per 100K residents.
2. Louisiana ~ 19.3 deaths per 100K residents
1. Alaska ~ 19.8 deaths per 100K residents

The Top 10 States For Gun Deaths–Guess How Many Are Blue With Strict Gun Control Laws (IMAGES) | If You Only News

[flipper35]

A quick point. Columbine, Newtown and the latest one were all carried out by people who were not the legal owners of the weapons. The first two were stolen and the third was given to them illegally.