Heavily Armed Drug Lords in our Nationa Forrests

[CobraEd]

Growing marijuana. Tourists are at risk. Lovely, simply f__king lovely. Too big of a problem for law enforcement to stop.

Take the time to read this through. Well worth it.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...471161,00.html

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[Ron61]

Right now they are in the middle of a huge Marijuana Raid here destroying about 15 big gardens they found in the canyons. When the deputies and DEA agents first started going in by helicopter and lowering themselves by rope they were shot at but never got a chance to shoot back nor even see the ass hole*. Twice they have had to close a trail to a waterfall that people walk to because of these dam people shooting at anyone in thee area because of their marijuana gardens. We have hundreds of thousands of acres of forests and canyons here and there is no way to stop these people and they have found underground gardens that were as large as an acre or two. Even people walking up the canyons to fish in the rivers have started carrying guns.

Ron

[Scott S]

I find one or two grow sites a year along with several trash and waste dumps from the meth heads. It is pretty typical if we get a complaint from a local about a planned logging contract they may be trying to protect more than the environment.

Every one of my crew members are "carrying" when they go to work.

[4RE KLR]

Wow, I had no idea this was going on.

It is amazing so few people are assigned to such a large area.

[TampaFla]

In many, of the (if not all) USDA National Forests, the rangers are also deputies. It's not a new problem. I remember seeing it going on in the Tonto National Forest back in the 80s.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

Wow, I had no idea this was going on.

It is amazing so few people are assigned to such a large area.

Cuz you live in a big freeking sand box.

We have raids every damn week in the Sierras, and Ron lives near the biggest production area. Biggest cash crop in some of the northern counties is herb.

I've got wine vineyard clients in Napa and Sonoma whose drip systems are tapped into by the growers who have their gardens further up the mountains. They don't mind much...keeps folks from coming in and stealing asspensive vineyard stock.

Now, you wanna talk some nasty sh!t...let's talk about the meth kitchens we find in the orchards all over the doggone place.

[4RE KLR]

That is exactly my point Jamo

There are not a lot of Forest in Dallas, Texas (in case you don't know)

We have meth labs everywhere. I saw on the news the other day that a "roach coach" was selling meth with his daily lunch meals.
The guy had a pretty damn nice lunch truck. But I guess if your making that kind of money you have to launder it somewhere.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

That is exactly my point Jamo

There are not a lot of Forest in Dallas, Texas (in case you don't know)

We have meth labs everywhere. I saw on the news the other day that a "roach coach" was selling meth with his daily lunch meals.
The guy had a pretty damn nice lunch truck. But I guess if your making that kind of money you have to launder it somewhere.

Unfortunately, I've been to Dallas...them groupings of overgrown weeds around the countryside ain't forests.

Actually, alot of it has to do with the geography and political subdivisions. See, we have these things called mountains...big phuking mountains. Makes travel and visual surveillance just a bit tough. That's why things like condors and Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) live around here. The other thing is that, unlike a good chunk of the Rockies or them foothills out east, most of our forested mountains are in a slew of national parks, national forests or other designated wilderness areas...not real accessible to folks except ranchers, hunters, packers and the like, and they sort of have the same view of keeping folks out as the growers do. When the phuking demos kicked out the lumber companies, it did two things...got a bunch of folks who used to hang around up there for a long time gone, and it increased the underbrush. He!!, Kit Carson couldn't move through there today. Finally, with satellites, they've closed most of the fire towers. That's why the big increase in growing herb up there...it's phuking perfect. I ain't getting this from newspaper articles. Coming straight from folks I know on the federal-state joint tasks forces. My own daughter accompanied them on a little hunting-gathering day trip for Awnold along with reps from Feinstein's office and some House members. This is what the guys on the ground assplained.

Plus...our dirt just makes for better herb.

With our orchards and vineyards on the Valley floor, you just can't see the labs. Drive next to an orange orchard or a vineyard and you'll be lucky to see 3 or 4 rows in. Put up a lab during the post harvest season when nobody has a reason to be in there, and you'll have several days to cook up a batch and move on. Unfortunately, my clients end up having to pull the vines and trees out for a good 100 feet or so around the perimeter, and remove the dirt down several feet...all at their expense.

Anyway, the herb ranches don't bother me as much as the meth labs, which are probably operating in every state except maybe New Jersey, where the ground is more lethal than chemicals they use to cook the meth.

[VRM]

Yeah, we have them out here as well, but probably not as many, as our weather just does not work for year round growing. They actually have places in Maine called the 'Unorganised Territories'. You never know who is going to run you off with a gun; the crazy coot who owns the place, or herb growers.

Steve

[Excaliber]

Not a problem on a Oahu, but you have to watch your step on the "Big Island". Well heck, just being a white boy might be enough to get your ass in trouble over there anyway.

[Jamo]

Yup Oinie, and a few of the flower farms in Up Country Maui say they've had some issues too.

[Ron61]

We used to have oleander bushes in the divider along the freeway from here to Sacramento. Looked nice and broke up the flat desert looking area. Years ago they had to remove them and have actually concentrated over some of the places as they found marijuana planted in among them all the way to Sacramento and Cal Trans was watering it for them unknowingly. There are so many meth labs around here in old beat up camping trailers that anyone who is hiking and happens to stumble across one of them just automatically avoids it and reports it to the police. Trouble is we just have 3 DEA agents and there is no way they can even keep up with the known labs and gardens, let along spend time hunting the hundreds of thousands of acres of canyons and forests for them. And the underground operations are very sophisticated and about the only way to find them is with a tip or finding where they have climbed a power pole and tapped into the electricity. Down in Jamo's area they face the same thing except they also have the huge vineyards to try and contend with. Here they are telling the people that used to hike into the mountains to fish the rivers and streams to stay out if they value their life. A good friend who cuts wod on weekends told me he had seen an old van hidden way back up in the mountains and some Mexicans came walking out and waved to him. I told him to report it to the police and he did and they did a fly over and found two huge pot gardens just about a half mile up the mountain from where he was cutting wood. I know of at least three meth labs they are watching within a mile of my house. This is not the kind of country it was when I first moved up here from Fresno. I feel more as if I live in a war zone and the average citizens are afraid to go for hikes any more. And it is getting worse sad to say as more and more illegals move in.

Ron

[will butterwort]

cash crop in alabama now is mary-jane.Meth labs all over countryside, have dope houses just like I saw in vietnam.Turn news on at ten pm atlanta-birmingham for the rape-robbery-murder report so you know which areas to avoid.Honda plant goes through 32 folks trying to get one worker,not on dope,that will work.Watch local paper where dialysis centers are adding stations, first thing youngster does is knock his kidneys out with that stuff, and guess what---we pick up the tab from there.I fear for our country,s future sometime, but, we do have some good people and good neighbors left all around.Will-alabama

[trularin]

Since the 70s, same story different tune.

[Scott S]

It would be easier to find the grow sites if the trees weren't in the way..

I can help.

It will be hunting season here soon and in the last couple of years it has become pretty scary out here in the woods. Here in Oregon they will let anybody that walks in the DMV get a drivers license, if you have a drivers license you can get a hunting license and a gun.

There are beginning to be hoards of little brown fellows running around in the brush with rifles shooting at nearly everything. They have none of the years of training/tradition or even the slightest concept of how to hunt. There is a tragedy coming soon.

Scott S

[Excaliber]

Scott to the rescue, chain saw in hand!

[Ron61]

We don't need nor want it but another big forest fire around here would sure get rid of a lot of that crap for at least a year. The last time they had one several years ago over on the other side of the dam, there were some places they wouldn't send fire fighters into because of the smoke from the burning marijuana.

Ron

[trularin]

There's a rough one.

Fire fighters have a hard time as it is.

[Jamo]

Damn...they could've assked for volunteers.

[Ron61]

They used to but then lawsuits when anyone got hurt stopped that. However I believe that if they took the people growing the pot on the worst part of the fire lines there wouldn't be to much of an uproar if some of them vanished. Same for the ones that go around and deliberately start then fires.

Ron