Israelis Bomb Nuke Site???

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by imagine2frolic

And I thought it was the face of the girl in ragged jeans?

Pretty hot, eh?

[VRM]

I think it is interesting to note the personal attacks and insults against me just for voicing a contrary opinion. It's something I am very used to on this board, and I usually respond in kind when so addressed.
Thanks for the defence, Mike. I'm going to do my best to refrain from treating Evan the same way he treated me.

Evan,
I find it interesting that you commented on the Israelis turning the land into something useful. Do I have the right to take your land if you are not doing anything useful with it? I am very much against the recent trend of our governments taking land from residential property owners and giving it to developers. Or do I only have the right to take your land if I am Jewish and you are not? It was not right when the Nazis did it to the Jews, and it was not right when the Jews did it to the Arabs.

Are you at all upset by the level of immigration going on here in the US? How do you think the Arabs felt in the very early part of the last century when Herzl and the rest of them were moving to Palestine?

Did you know that Uganda and part of Bavaria were offered to the Jews as a homeland and were turned down? The Jews back then (and also England and France) cared nothing for those 'dirty-toed bastards' who already had deeds and inheritance rights to the land in Palestine. They figured that they would just move the locals out of the way.

In answer to what the 'greatest generation' might have done - are you familiar with the King-Crane commission? It might be a bit early, but I think it gives a general idea of the direction that American ideas about land ownership were pointed. This, despite the 'Jewish Problem' in the US at the time, as perceived by many Americans back then. Our bigger concern was for the then-current inhabitants of the most densely populated area in the ME. We actually wanted the Zionist movement to slow down its relocation to Palestine so as not to upset the locals. At least someone back then was thinking clearly.

Also, go look up the Haganah, the Irgun and the Stern Gang. These are among the original terrorist groups started in the ME, and they are all Jewish. People in these groups would take sniper shots at innocent Arabs going about their day to day activities in an effort to get the Arabs to leave. Bus bombings were also carried out by these Jewish terrorists.
Many Jews trying to escape the persecution in Europe were not allowed to come to the US, partly because of sentiment against the terrorist actions by Jews in Palestine. Now Israel is fighting exactly the kind of war that they started. As you sow...

I am sorry that the Jews were treated as they were regarding the holocaust. I would never treat any Jew badly simply because he was a Jew, even when they call me a schmuck. I also do not treat any Arab badly simply because he is an Arab. Your rant regarding those 'dirty toed antisemtic bastards', however, makes you look just as racist as those anti-Jew ones are. Personally, I think that makes you, and people like you, part of the problem. Should you be hunted down and killed because you are just as unreasonable as idiots like bin Laden? Unfortunately, it seems as though the same 'Israels poop don't stink' attitude posessed by you is also very commonplace in the US. Until we either look at the truth of the situation, or decide that the history is irrelevant and that they all suck, we will never make any progress over there. Oh, and does it concern you that Israel has the second most powerful lobby in the US? It concerns me that any of our politicians feel obligated to any group that is actively representing another country.

Iran and Syria have both been threatend by the US (including a possible first strike nuke attack). They have seen what happens to a country (Iraq and Afghanistan) without WMD. While I am not comfortable with the idea of them having WMD, I don't blame them for trying to develop WMD in their own defense. It is exactly what I would do if I were them, as I already know that not having them would not save my country.

Steve

[CobraEd]

The only reason that israel is so well developed is because we pump tens of billions of dollars in there every year with no payback. If it werent for that, israel would be in the same third world condition as the rest of the arab countries.

What was ever invented there??? What do they manufacture?? Been to any good israely restaurants lately?? Seen any famous architecture or art?????


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[VRM]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

The only reason that israel is so well developed is because we pump tens of billions of dollars in there every year with no payback. If it werent for that, israel would be in the same third world condition as the rest of the arab countries.

What was ever invented there??? What do they manufacture?? Been to any good israely restaurants lately?? Seen any famous architecture or art?????


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They actually have some good software development groups. They can be a bit arrogant to work with, but they tend to get the job done.
They are also doing a lot of work with bio-med - including stem cell research (that we are not allowed to do in the US).

Steve

[Wes Tausend]

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I didn't follow this too closely. Did anybody actually verify that there was nuclear material there? What about fallout? If it was another Chernobyl, or even 1/10 of one, isn't anybody worried.

Or is this another scary political ploy? Something doesn't smell right.


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[VRM]

Wes,
Well, something has to get us all worked up and excited about attacking Iran! I don't think people are going to fall for the ol' "Look at the WMD" trick again. Well, maybe they will...

Steve

[bomelia]

Well, its time to put it all into perspective again...

[VRM]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Well, its time to put it all into perspective again...

Right, Mike,
And we should give up 5% of our country so that the illegal Mexicans can have someplace to live.

Your land is available, right?

Steve

[bomelia]

if you can take it, you can have it.

[J. T. Toad]

you think they have only taken 5%?

viva la Aztlan

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

[VRM]

Mike,
Congratulations - you just sided with the Palestinians.

Steve

[BeanCounter]

Steve,

What makes you think that the Palestinians have a greater claim to the land than the Jews. After all didn't the Romans destroy and confiscate everything in 79 A.D. and run them out of their own country? I believe it was just giving them their homeland back after a terrible injustice. Now if you can find any Canaanites then maybe you have a point.

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by BeanCounter

Steve,

What makes you think that the Palestinians have a greater claim to the land than the Jews. After all didn't the Romans destroy and confiscate everything in 79 A.D. and run them out of their own country? I believe it was just giving them their homeland back after a terrible injustice. Now if you can find any Canaanites then maybe you have a point.

Really it dates back to that first caveman entrepreneur that claimed the "berry patch" for his own... thereby simultaneously inventing capitalism and private land property. Where is that picture of Roscoe's Geico Gullible Guy?


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[VRM]

Originally Posted by BeanCounter

Steve,

What makes you think that the Palestinians have a greater claim to the land than the Jews. After all didn't the Romans destroy and confiscate everything in 79 A.D. and run them out of their own country? I believe it was just giving them their homeland back after a terrible injustice. Now if you can find any Canaanites then maybe you have a point.

Palestinians had (and still have in many cases) registered deeds proving ownership.

Think we should give land back to the Navaho? Any other groups you want to give land back to? Italy, England, Turkey? Why are the Jews special when it comes to giving land back after a few hundred years?

Yes, it was an injustice, but that same injustice has happened to many groups and they all deal with it. You don't correct one wrong by adding another on top of it. This is the land equivalent of Afirmative Action for Jews.

In 500 years are we going to do the same thing for the Palestinians when someone finally decides that they were wronged as well?

Steve

[BeanCounter]

Wow, registered deeds!! With the same authentication I imagine Goering had for all the art he stole from them.

Give the land back to the Navaho? Sure, give it to them. Now let's see if they can hold it this time.

That's the point. How far back do we go? So let's turn them loose and let them settle this themselves with no outside influences, ON EITHER SIDE. What do you think the US would do if the Navaho suddenly became restless and started bombing our cities and people. We'd crush them like a bug. Let Israel do the same. But if Syria and the others start backing the Palestinians then I say let's back our friends.

[CobraEd]

Isreal did not win the land in a war like every other nation. As I understand it Truman GAVE it to them due to the pressure from the American jews. Is this true?

[BeanCounter]

Ed,

I guess they don't teach history any more. Truman didn't give them squat.

Here read up on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War

This could have been settled a long time ago but the Muslims aren't going to be happy until they either subjugate or exterminate every Jew there is. That's sort along of the same lines of what they want to do to "The Great Satan" (which in case you don't know is you and me). How is your wife going to look in a Burqua there Ed of America???

[VRM]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

Isreal did not win the land in a war like every other nation. As I understand it Truman GAVE it to them due to the pressure from the American jews. Is this true?

The UN gave it to them officially. The British and the French began that giving process a few decades before that.

Steve

[VRM]

Ah, Bernie,
I understand you now. Might makes right.

So when a thug beats you up and steals your car then it is OK, because he is stronger than you.

The deeds were registered and had the same level of legality that your have. Is your not legit?

So why are the Jews special? Why are they more important than the people who were living there?

Steve

[CobraEd]

Good info guys. I am not much into history. Thanks for the correction.