The Fence

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Venamm

Buy American lumber???...again you don't have any left.

Our mills are chock full, come on down and buy some.



I am thinking about getting the wife something very shiny for Christmas, it sure as heck won't come from a Canadian mine.

Now for a bit of extra reading, why don't you look again at my sig line and tell me how it is an attack on Canada?

My company contracts for the 4th largest timberland owner in the US and a Canadian company

My anger is directed at NAFTA

Scott S

[Venamm]

My friend,
Canadian mines also feed your parts. So unless you can track that shiny whatever you intend to buy, it will no doubt come from Canada or Africa. Welcome to the world outside of Dixie. NAFTA was a American thought that was sold to us and forced upon Mexico (actually Mexico is better off with it as they had nothing to lose)

[bomelia]

There is a nice book out there: "How to win friends and influence people". Now, I'm not going to suggest that you read it. But one point I will make is that you are not taking enough time to get to know folks before you "spout off". Ask yourself this. Would you talk to me like this in person? Or Scott? I know for a fact I would say all I have said to you in person, but then, I am among friends (and foes) who know me. It is very much a contectual thing. Don't take things so personal. A lot of folks are just testing you (perhaps me included) to see how thick your skin is.

So far, it looks pretty dam thin. Canadien thin.

Mike

PS: My ass looks real good, huh?

[Scott S]

I was kinda thinking the same thing Mike, a tone was set and hardly from the south.

Scott S

[Wayne Maybury]

Mike, Scott

I know your comments were not directed at me. As a matter of fact no one seems to have taken exception to what I wrote yesterday.

Scott, what you presented is the opinion of one side of this disagreement. I can assure you that the Canadian forestry sector is just as vocal about all of the wrong doings being blamed on the Americans. The real truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I cross the Canada / US border every weekend from early April until mid or late October and I see truckload after truckload after truckload of "round wood" heading north into Canada. This has been going on for years so we certainly do import a very large amount of un-processed wood from the US.

As I said earlier, Canada and the US have in excess of $400 billion per year of two way trade. Certainly, there are going to be disputes when there is this much business happening.

Venamm, You can say whatever you want but as a new comer to this site, I would hope that you tone down your rhetoric somewhat before my attorney friend in Northern California gets involved. (Jamo, how am I doing?)

Wayne

[Venamm]

I'm confused. I send a link out here for education purposes and label it "a whole other perspective" and I get called Ali kinds of things "offensive" Thin Skinned Canadian" and more...and I need to tone down. I did not come on here to fight only to learn more about cars. My sign off isn't a political statement Scott's is "Now one third of all lumber products come from Canada, scr*w you very much NAFTA " take it to another forum on the net not in the Cobra Club. I feel certain people do have a lot of built up angst and tend to vent on all tiffy issues they have at anyone at anyplace. I was simply sticking up for my Country and now they have insulted me. The link about the fence was made by Americans so how is that insulting? Always fast to accuse but never at fault. I stand by what I say.
As for Mike who is following my threads commenting negatively about everything I say is borderline harassment. He obviously has to much time on his hands. I have made few friends on this site and one of them are beligerante racist or country bashing as the few I have met recently. Again if you condone that sort of play why not start your own forum on another site.

[Wayne Maybury]

Venamm
Hey, I have stuck up for Canada as much as anyone on this site and have taken some good natured ribbing as well as some other comments that were not as polite, on occasion.

I never said that you were right, wrong or in between. All I said was that as a new comer, maybe you should tune down the rhetoric some what. I'm a Canadian and I found your comments to have a bit of an "edge" to them, I can just imagine how our friends south of the border view them.

By the way, the Johnex body is definitely a fine body for a Cobra project.

Wasn't this thread about a fence along the southern US border any way?

Wayne

[VRM]

Mike,
You laid into him pretty hard just for posting a different viewpoint. Your comments were personal, and directed against him. His video was not personally directed against you. That makes you look like the one with the thin skin, as you fired the first shot.

Mike and Venamm,
Everyone tends to think that their country is better than everyone elses, so 'nationalist' is probably a more accurate term than 'racist'. Unfortunately, that also tends to make people bury their heads in the sand about the problems that their country has. The US is a great country, but we have created a lot of our own problems. We are not going not be able to fix them unless we acknowledge that they are our problems.

I don't know anything about the lumber trade other than I like how wood sounds. I do know that it is good for the US to be prosperous, and I also know that it is beneficial to the US for our neighbours to be prosperous. We do have a great deal of trade with Canada - and both countries have done well as a result. We also don't have millions of Canadians running to the border looking for jobs so Canada is doing something right.

I like the Bracero program that Roscoe posted info about. I am also in favour of harsher penalties for companies that hire illegals - after all - they are the ones benefitting from the cheap labour. We also need to control our borders. It would also be beneficial to us for Mexico to become more prosperous. Obviously, we cannot do that for them, but there might be ways that we can help them do that for themselves.

Venamm,
Relax. People in the lounge can be very passionate about their politics. The lounge usually has very little to do with cars. All of us are always right, and that can make for some very heated arguments. I've never met any of the CCers in person, but the ones I've had the most heated arguments with are the ones I am the most curious about.

Steve

[imagine2frolic]

I am still for plugging the fence into solar panels, and wind mills to shock our southern neighbors in more than one way. I love using renewable energy. I have to, at times I live off of it for months......

[VRM]

BTW,
Does anybody know why the fence has those two inch holes in it? You could use ice picks or some such thing to make the climb much easier. I would think that a solid slab, maybe even leaning towards Mexico, would make for a much tougher climb.

Steve

[Wayne Maybury]

Originally Posted by VRM

BTW,
Does anybody know why the fence has those two inch holes in it?

Steve

Maybe it is so that the guys in uniform on the north side of the fence can shoot pepper spray at the guys trying to climb up the other side of it.

Wayne

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury

Maybe it is so that the guys in uniform on the north side of the fence can shoot pepper spray at the guys trying to climb up the other side of it.

Wayne

Hmmm...could be... but don't Mexicans use pepper spray on their Cheerios?

Seriously - I could take a couple of pieces of flat wood and walk up the damn thing!

Steve

[Scott S]

Lets build the fence out of wood, preferably AMERICAN wood.

Be just as effective as anything else.

Scott S

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Scott S

Lets build the fence out of wood, preferably AMERICAN wood.

Be just as effective as anything else.

Scott S

As long as we can carve pointy things in the top bits...great!

Steve

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Venamm

. My sign off isn't a political statement Scott's is "Now one third of all lumber products come from Canada, scr*w you very much NAFTA " take it to another forum on the net not in the Cobra Club.

Sorry Buddy it's not going away, it's been there for years and you are the first to take real issue with it.

Thanks Wayne for your comments, do you have any Lowes or Home Depot up there? There are one of each here nearby my home and nearly all the softwood lumber is from Canadian mills even though there are six local mills within 25 miles.

Just gotta wonder if somebody is not playing fair...

Scott S

BTW my little logging company shipped over 80 truck loads (320,000 board feet) of logs this week, 5 of those were exported to the far east, none to Canada.

[Venamm]

Scott not asking you to remove it. Just blame NAFTA and leave Canada out of the blame. Decisions are made on both sides of the border. For every salesperson there's a buyer. But I don't see you raising that point, that the problem might be politically local. Wouldn't be prudent to blame someone or party where your backyard is right?
Anyhow I give up....
Wayne he's all yours!

[Scott S]

Originally Posted by Venamm

For every salesperson there's a buyer. But I don't see you raising that point, that the problem might be politically local.

You could be right, our guys may follow the rules.



Scott S

[Venamm]

ok folks you see what I am saying? I am trying to share the blame and say it's both sides and make peace. A olive branch doesn't exist where you live i guess.... he continues to bash "our guys may follow the rules". Just because you are American does not give you a global right to bash and hate other countries. Stop thinking the world starts and ends where you live.

"do you have any Lowes or Home Depot up there? " Of course we do you jack ass, we do not live in igloos and drive our husky teams to work nor is Wayne Gretzky our Prime Minister, yes PM not President. So leave it alone and stop bashing or the next one will be reported.

[Scott S]

hate, jack ass? Strong words there....

Go ahead and report me.

Did you see that big green smiley face under my post? It was there for a reason, maybe you ought to think about down sizing your button.

It is just way too easy to push.

I asked about Lowes and Home Depot as I thought they may have a different name. Some companies re brand when they cross borders, I just didn't know if these did also.

JFYI I have a olive tree in my garden, do you need a branch?

Scott S

[Venamm]

No one rebrands here i'm in the biz. Now I know you are a pro BS artist.

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