Jamo's state at it again

[Cobrabill]

Tonight after the Z-Club meeting a couple approached me and another club member asking about selling a specific Z-Car.

We talked at length about sales possibilites, etc.... but when the discussion got in detail it was brought out in passing the car had 'failed smog because he couldn't clean off and read some numbers underneath'.

Now, I had heard a lot of stuff, but this was a new one. I had to know more. Luckily the person had a printout of the Smog Test.

Now the killer (and a Nyah Nyah to those who told me 'they never heard of that before'): The car, out the tail pipe passed. It's CO was nil,HC was Nil, and the NOx was up there in PPM, but still well within the limits for the year vehicle.

So the car was clean.

But the SMOG test was a FAIL!

Why, you ask? In the section "Ignition Timing" it said "FAIL"... Hand written on the sheet was 'clean off timing marks and bring back for free retest'

Apparently, even though the vehicle passed clean out the tailpipe, BECAUSE THE "TECHNICIAN" WHO CHECKED THE TIMING COULD NOT SEE THE NUMBERS, OR FIND THE TIMING NOTCH IN THE PULLEY HE FAILED IT ON THE VISUAL CRITERIA!

And now the part that P.O.'d me: The owner was more interested in what they could get for the car, because if they could only get, say $850 for the car, then THEY WOULD GIVE IT TO THE STATE FOR THE CRUSHER PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY WILL PAY $1000 FOR THE CAR!

Basically, if they couldn't sell it to a private party, they were going to use the 'registered and failed smog test' to turn it in to the crusher program.

Purely financial, of course. I was a little more than irked, but kept composed and stayed polite. But the car was nice, most importantly IT WAS CLEAN OUT THE TAILPIPE!

This car is being considered for CRUSHING simply because of a 'fail' on a BUREAUCRATIC PORTION OF THE TEST!

As I have said ALL ALONG: THE SMOG TEST IS NOT ABOUT CLEAN AIR! IT'S ABOUT SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND CONTROLLING PEOIPLE'S FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

Any idiot with half a brain could clean this car's timing marks off, take it in for a retest, and have a car well worth the $850 they paid for it, and no more precious natural resources would have been expended to manufacture a 'new' vehicle for them... But as it sits, that scenario will not occur. This car will likely not sell for more than $1000, and because of that fact, they will likely turn it in to the crusher for their 30 pieces of silver.

The mentality that the state cultivates (see the previous post about the Mustang saved fro mteh crusher!) just is so wrong!

So f-ing wrong! Clean air, my a$$! This car IS CLEAN. But it fails because some monkey isn't diligent enough to find the timing marks during his 15 minute flat-rate smog check. Beat the rate, and no---they won't fudge the timing marks and pass it, with the STING operations they got going, most SMOG techs are so afraid for their licenses/livelyhoood they won't do it...even if COMMON SENSE says the car is CLEAN.

Bullsh*t Sacramento meddling.

[392cobra]

Bill,
What is a Z-Car ?

Like a 240Z or Z28 ?

Sounds like a real assine program they have going.

[Cobrabill]

240Z.And make is really not the point here.

[Jamo]

Sure the tech wasn't from Arizona?

On behalf of all Californians...bite us.

[Ron61]

How long could it have taken to wipe the grease and dirt off the timing marks. Besides, the visual inspection is far more important than whether the car actually passes the tail pipe emissions. I mean, come on, we can't have people replacing painted air cleaners with chrome ones for crying out loud. Take it to China. Anything that moves will be ok there.

Edit: By the way Jamo isn't Governor yet. But we are going to try to get a movement going to have him run for Governor and Pat as Lieutenant Governor. Basis of the platform will to be get the state back on track to get out of debt and to not deport the illegals back to Mexico as that is a violation of their rights. But it says nothing about deporting them to Arizona.

Edited to correct spelling.

Ron

[meat]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Any idiot with half a brain could clean this car's timing marks off

...and yet you didn't.

Huh.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by meat

...and yet you didn't.

Huh.

Your pal,
Meat.

Meathead,once again,your lack of comprehension skills shows the woirld you really are a safe distance from genius.

Those aren't my words a$$hole,that was a post by someone else.dip$hit.

[meat]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Meathead,once again,your lack of comprehension skills shows the woirld you really are a safe distance from genius.

Those aren't my words a$$hole,that was a post by someone else.dip$hit.

Really. Interesting. Allow me to refresh your memory by recalling the post made by you that started the whole topic...

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Tonight after the Z-Club meeting a couple approached me and another club member asking about selling a specific Z-Car.

We talked at length about sales possibilites, etc.... but when the discussion got in detail it was brought out in passing the car had 'failed smog because he couldn't clean off and read some numbers underneath'.

Now, I had heard a lot of stuff, but this was a new one. I had to know more. Luckily the person had a printout of the Smog Test.

Now the killer (and a Nyah Nyah to those who told me 'they never heard of that before'): The car, out the tail pipe passed. It's CO was nil,HC was Nil, and the NOx was up there in PPM, but still well within the limits for the year vehicle.

So the car was clean.

But the SMOG test was a FAIL!

Why, you ask? In the section "Ignition Timing" it said "FAIL"... Hand written on the sheet was 'clean off timing marks and bring back for free retest'

Apparently, even though the vehicle passed clean out the tailpipe, BECAUSE THE "TECHNICIAN" WHO CHECKED THE TIMING COULD NOT SEE THE NUMBERS, OR FIND THE TIMING NOTCH IN THE PULLEY HE FAILED IT ON THE VISUAL CRITERIA!

And now the part that P.O.'d me: The owner was more interested in what they could get for the car, because if they could only get, say $850 for the car, then THEY WOULD GIVE IT TO THE STATE FOR THE CRUSHER PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY WILL PAY $1000 FOR THE CAR!

Basically, if they couldn't sell it to a private party, they were going to use the 'registered and failed smog test' to turn it in to the crusher program.

Purely financial, of course. I was a little more than irked, but kept composed and stayed polite. But the car was nice, most importantly IT WAS CLEAN OUT THE TAILPIPE!

This car is being considered for CRUSHING simply because of a 'fail' on a BUREAUCRATIC PORTION OF THE TEST!

As I have said ALL ALONG: THE SMOG TEST IS NOT ABOUT CLEAN AIR! IT'S ABOUT SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND CONTROLLING PEOIPLE'S FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

Any idiot with half a brain could clean this car's timing marks off, take it in for a retest, and have a car well worth the $850 they paid for it, and no more precious natural resources would have been expended to manufacture a 'new' vehicle for them... But as it sits, that scenario will not occur. This car will likely not sell for more than $1000, and because of that fact, they will likely turn it in to the crusher for their 30 pieces of silver.

The mentality that the state cultivates (see the previous post about the Mustang saved fro mteh crusher!) just is so wrong!

So f-ing wrong! Clean air, my a$$! This car IS CLEAN. But it fails because some monkey isn't diligent enough to find the timing marks during his 15 minute flat-rate smog check. Beat the rate, and no---they won't fudge the timing marks and pass it, with the STING operations they got going, most SMOG techs are so afraid for their licenses/livelyhoood they won't do it...even if COMMON SENSE says the car is CLEAN.

Bullsh*t Sacramento meddling.

...clearly shows that you made the post.

I know, I know ... your goldfish-like powers of recollection barely function, and because of that you have to wear diapers because sometimes you just forget where the toilet is, but the fact of the matter is: you did say what I quoted. They are your words, posted by you.

So there, neener, neener, neener.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Cobrabill]

Meathead here is the whole post.As i said-NOT MY WORDS jag-off.


Smog, Clean Air, and Bureaucratic Meddling with Old Cars.
Posted by: Tony D
Date: Yesterday, 01:04AM


Tonight after the Z-Club meeting a couple approached me and another club member asking about selling a specific Z-Car.

We talked at length about sales possibilites, etc.... but when the discussion got in detail it was brought out in passing the car had 'failed smog because he couldn't clean off and read some numbers underneath'.

Now, I had heard a lot of stuff, but this was a new one. I had to know more. Luckily the person had a printout of the Smog Test.

Now the killer (and a Nyah Nyah to those who told me 'they never heard of that before'): The car, out the tail pipe passed. It's CO was nil,HC was Nil, and the NOx was up there in PPM, but still well within the limits for the year vehicle.

So the car was clean.

But the SMOG test was a FAIL!

Why, you ask? In the section "Ignition Timing" it said "FAIL"... Hand written on the sheet was 'clean off timing marks and bring back for free retest'

Apparently, even though the vehicle passed clean out the tailpipe, BECAUSE THE "TECHNICIAN" WHO CHECKED THE TIMING COULD NOT SEE THE NUMBERS, OR FIND THE TIMING NOTCH IN THE PULLEY HE FAILED IT ON THE VISUAL CRITERIA!

And now the part that P.O.'d me: The owner was more interested in what they could get for the car, because if they could only get, say $850 for the car, then THEY WOULD GIVE IT TO THE STATE FOR THE CRUSHER PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY WILL PAY $1000 FOR THE CAR!

Basically, if they couldn't sell it to a private party, they were going to use the 'registered and failed smog test' to turn it in to the crusher program.

Purely financial, of course. I was a little more than irked, but kept composed and stayed polite. But the car was nice, most importantly IT WAS CLEAN OUT THE TAILPIPE!

This car is being considered for CRUSHING simply because of a 'fail' on a BUREAUCRATIC PORTION OF THE TEST!

As I have said ALL ALONG: THE SMOG TEST IS NOT ABOUT CLEAN AIR! IT'S ABOUT SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND CONTROLLING PEOIPLE'S FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.

Any idiot with half a brain could clean this car's timing marks off, take it in for a retest, and have a car well worth the $850 they paid for it, and no more precious natural resources would have been expended to manufacture a 'new' vehicle for them... But as it sits, that scenario will not occur. This car will likely not sell for more than $1000, and because of that fact, they will likely turn it in to the crusher for their 30 pieces of silver.

The mentality that the state cultivates (see the previous post about the Mustang saved fro mteh crusher!) just is so wrong!

So f-ing wrong! Clean air, my a$$! This car IS CLEAN. But it fails because some monkey isn't diligent enough to find the timing marks during his 15 minute flat-rate smog check. Beat the rate, and no---they won't fudge the timing marks and pass it, with the STING operations they got going, most SMOG techs are so afraid for their licenses/livelyhoood they won't do it...even if COMMON SENSE says the car is CLEAN.

Bullsh*t Sacramento meddling.


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[Jamo]

Bill...your first post doesn't include quotes, nor is there any intro stating where it came from. My impression was that you were talking in the first person as well, and that you either had, or had some interest in, Datsun/Nissan Zs.

Meat...por favor...stop that the cheap and easy hits.

Both of you...cool it, please. Thanks.

[meat]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Meat...por favor...stop that the cheap and easy hits.

Sure. As soon as the target quits popping back up!

Your pal,
Meat.

[Cobrabill]

Cheap & easy is the only motus operandi known to Meathead.