This guy could be even dumber than Bush

[SD5805]

Media Bias Big time. Ths is a perfect example. I'm not a huge fan of McCain. But I heard some of his speaches in its entirty especially the tax cut issue. On this issue he said he did not vote for the tax cuts because there was NOT a clause in there to make them permenant. There were other discrepensies as well.

One or all must be carefull when listening on the surface to only sound bites. This type of news or ad can make anyone look bad.

Truely the lesser of 2 evils must be decided upon this year.

And, Watch out for those radical Obama ties. Any true american will have no issue with wearing a flag pin, or placing his hand on his heart during the national anthem. What is this all about.

Then the Iraq issue, things seemed to get a bit screwed up here, but we must support our troops over seas regardless. NOTE: Keep this in mind, McCaine's 2 sons are fighting in Iraq and He still believes in keeping up there. Maybe there is something to this for a reason. If I had power to withdrawl my sons I would unless there is a true national security threat we don't know about. We dont here about this angle.

take care

[Wiplash]

Saddam WAS a mass murderer. He killed 100s of 1000s of his own countrymen.

He did it with WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION!!!

He HAD THEM!--There is NOT a debate about that. Some have chosen to overlook the facts. Before the war the so-called statesmen were agreed about the weapons. That's no lie!

W lied and people died. BULLPUCKY!

They were moved. Get over it. We are all safer with him gone.

Some people just don't pass the "John Wayne" test.--Osama-er-Obama will not keep us safe.

KUMBAYA!! I'm about to choke over all the crap Obama's involved with.

Check out www.theobamafile.com

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

Ralph...GREAT question, but perhaps it should be answered with what I haven't done...

1) I haven't wrecked the economy
2) I haven't been the reason behind over 4,000 unnecessary American deaths in Iraq, tens of thousands of Americans maimed, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis
3) I haven't alienated the rest of the civilized world and made America the pariah of nations
4) I haven't made all of my decisions based on a consistently wrong 'gut feel', but have attempted to at least elucidate some FACTS every now and again
5) I haven't lied to the whole country
6) I haven't polarized this country more than any other President on record

oooh, but I DID build a Cobra...LOL!
This is NOT a knock against Republicans, conservative principles, Christians or right wing politics, merely a critique of the most intellectually-uncurious and lowest-IQ President we have EVER had! I just wish the so-called leader-of-the-free-world had just a little bit of intelligence...is THAT so much to ask for?

1)neither did Bush
2)they were very necessary as it allows you to say the stupid shiat you do.ANd we are never leaving Iraq.Get used to it.
3&4)phuck the rest of the world and what they think.When "they" have saved the world TWICE-then "they"can have an opinion.Untill then,they get the opinion we give them.
5) and no other presidents have lied-right?How about FDR letting Pearl Harbor happen for openers.But lets not digress-o.k.?

Why do you conviently forget/omit the FACT that the situation we are in now is largely if not completely attributable to Jimmy Carter?

[nevermind65]

LOL...yeah...he moved them. That's why a team of experts looked for the last 3 years to find some trace of weapons, but came up empty handed. Soil samples taken of tha areas the WMD were supposedly manufactured showed nothing. The only evidence they could find dated back to the late 80's/early 90's. Even the buildings Powell showed us during his infamous UN speech when entered hadn't been used in years.

IF they were moved, they were moved sometime in the late 80's early 90's. Considering nothing has really cropped up in all those years, everything was probably destroyed.

Originally Posted by Wiplash

Saddam WAS a mass murderer. He killed 100s of 1000s of his own countrymen.

He did it with WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION!!!

He HAD THEM!--There is NOT a debate about that. Some have chosen to overlook the facts. Before the war the so-called statesmen were agreed about the weapons. That's no lie!

W lied and people died. BULLPUCKY!

They were moved. Get over it. We are all safer with him gone.

Some people just don't pass the "John Wayne" test.--Osama-er-Obama will not keep us safe.

KUMBAYA!! I'm about to choke over all the crap Obama's involved with.

Check out www.theobamafile.com

[427 S/O]

Thanks for posting whiplash, brain dead dems conveniently ignore that fact, I guess their too dumb to know what WDM's really are!.

[GlynMeek]

Originally Posted by 427 S/O

Thanks for posting whiplash, brain dead dems conveniently ignore that fact, I guess their too dumb to know what WDM's really are!.

Possibly, except most Dems at least know how to spell...LOL

It should be "WMD", NOT "WDM"

and

it is "they're", not "their"

and

there should be a "," between "posting" and "whiplash". "whiplash" is NOT the object of the verb "posting" as "posting" is being used as an intransitive verb in this situation!

Just messin with ya, 427, NO malice intended...

[Power Surge]

My view on the president...

Every president sucks and every president is great... depends on who you ask. Like everything in life, there will be those for and against.

Every president does something good for the country, and every president screws stuff up. That's just part of the job. No one person will ever run the country perfectly. EVER.

Regardless of what the president promises or wants to do, we have two other parts of the government to say yea or no to most ideas. You can't blame the one guy for everything. 2/3rds of the rest of the govt either agreed with his stupid ideas, or went ahead with thier own stupid ideas against his wishes.

Regardless of what the presidential candidate promises on his campain, once in office that will all change and he'll do what the rest of his staff (who usually knows better than him) tells him to do.

No matter what we ***** about, nothing will ever change.

This is why I don't get involved with political discussions.

[CobraEd]

I LOVE MY COUNTRY, . . . . . I FEAR MY GOVERNMENT


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[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by nevermind65

LOL...yeah...he moved them. That's why a team of experts looked for the last 3 years to find some trace of weapons, but came up empty handed. Soil samples taken of tha areas the WMD were supposedly manufactured showed nothing. The only evidence they could find dated back to the late 80's/early 90's. Even the buildings Powell showed us during his infamous UN speech when entered hadn't been used in years.

IF they were moved, they were moved sometime in the late 80's early 90's. Considering nothing has really cropped up in all those years, everything was probably destroyed.

Throwing my hat in for this one post only.

What this proves is that there were not any CHEMICAL weapons there. It does not prove that there were NO WEAPONS. In some cases, no weapons were found, but explosive devices, and various chemicals when combined will create a toxic gas were found. This means everything to MAKE THE WMD was found. I also believe that there were some found but it was not talked about. This I believe Bush lied about. If they found WMD, and then did not find any for a while, people would have demanded we withdrawl because the weapons are gone. The job may not have been finished, so he chose to not disclose it. Then when nothing more was found, he could not admit his omission.

I am not Republican or Democrat. I don't trust any of them in Washington. I do not want McCain as president and I am scared to have Obama as president. With McCain, I at least know what i am going to get, 4 more years of the same. With Obama, it may be better, but I don't believe it will I believe my life will get worse which is why I am scared of him being president.

[nevermind65]

Or biological, which was one of Bush's big concerns at the time. same with nuclear weapons. Personally, I don't think Bush even knew what he was talking about most of the time.

I voted Libertarian last time. I'll probably do it again this time.

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

Throwing my hat in for this one post only.

What this proves is that there were not any CHEMICAL weapons there. It does not prove that there were NO WEAPONS. In some cases, no weapons were found, but explosive devices, and various chemicals when combined will create a toxic gas were found. This means everything to MAKE THE WMD was found. I also believe that there were some found but it was not talked about. This I believe Bush lied about. If they found WMD, and then did not find any for a while, people would have demanded we withdrawl because the weapons are gone. The job may not have been finished, so he chose to not disclose it. Then when nothing more was found, he could not admit his omission.

I am not Republican or Democrat. I don't trust any of them in Washington. I do not want McCain as president and I am scared to have Obama as president. With McCain, I at least know what i am going to get, 4 more years of the same. With Obama, it may be better, but I don't believe it will I believe my life will get worse which is why I am scared of him being president.

[427 S/O]

Dang glyn, you must really be bored?. Let me correct my errors, brain dead dems conveniently forget the hundreds of thousands saddam gassed with.....WMD......

AND.....The brain dead dems, lead by N. Pelosi and H Reid, oppose everything that will bring the price of oil down. Remember this come election year.....

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by Smokingcobra2

And he is considered our only hope!! God or someone help us keep him out of our pockets. I'm not to keen on McCain, But Obama scares me with all his FREE PROGRAMS like $6000.00 for every college kid. WHO do these idiots who support him think will be paying for this! Never mind all hisother social programs that I can not afford to pay fpr
joeg

Yup, like the bill he sponsored requiring the US to pay the UN 95 Billion per year (.7% GDP or something). This was a number long ago aggreed to as a GOAL. To be met with private, corporate programs. BA wants it to be government. Buy stock in yatch companies, those UN guys are going to be buying 'em up like Krystal Burgers.

Mike

[Excaliber]

1) Keep us free of domestic terror attacks for 7 years.
Bush is not responsible for that, it would have been the same with any other POTUS.

(2) Inherit a recession and turn it into 5 years of growth despite a major terror attack. (how soon we forget)
Five year growth huh, wake up and smell the coffee, the economy is in the pitts! Thanks for nothing Mr. Bushwacker.

(3) Recently have both France and Germany elect US-friendly leaders. (ooo, but they hate us so!)
Wouldn't surprise me that Bush controls the elections of a foreign state.

(4) Rid the world of both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and put Al Queda in complete disarray while liberating 50+ million people.
Liberating 50+ million people, yeah thats the ticket, that's what we'll tell the American people. Were liberators, that's brilliant! POTUS and his cronies are freakin' liars and doing major CYA for each other. Disgusting administration.

(5) Appoint two solid SC justices.
Whatever...

One thing is clear, we DON'T need another 'mini Bush' in office promoting the same crap we've had to live with for the past two terms!

[jmimac351]

Glyn, so you think you're pretty bright, eh? Care to explain to me how the Celtic Tiger is possible? Go ahead, google it.

[jmimac351]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

(4) Rid the world of both the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and put Al Queda in complete disarray while liberating 50+ million people.
Liberating 50+ million people, yeah thats the ticket, that's what we'll tell the American people. Were liberators, that's brilliant! POTUS and his cronies are freakin' liars and doing major CYA for each other. Disgusting administration.

Excaliber, do you ever stop to think about what it is you believe?

Sometimes I think that Liberals reach a point when they realize they are wrong yet have trouble coming to terms with it. So everyone else becomes a "liar"... Or there is some kind of "conspiracy". Anything to explain away the fact that their own positions ignore reality.

What must it be like for an otherwise intelligent person to go through life and suddenly realize everything they believed was as wrong as wrong can be?

No wonder liberals are angry all the time. When you lack faith and have nothing to believe in, you'll believe in anything.

[427 S/O]

Jmim, you beat me to it. Ernie's known to jump in about anything and everything.

[Maricopa]

Don't sweat it guys, in another thread I made fun of his dumb-ass looking black hood that he's too cheap to paint so he was looking to hassle me. He can't be as stupid as he sounds....can he?

[Excaliber]

Hey I paid big money to have that hood professionally painted!

Point is, Bush and his cronies lied there a$$ off to get us into the Iraq war and continue that trend today. Lieing to the American people is Bush's legacy.

[Maricopa]

Point is, that is NOT true Ernie (not about your hood, I believe you that you had it painted). Go back to my post you quoted from and look at the link I provided and see what public officials were saying way back in the late '90s about Iraq and WMDs. Were they all lying to the American public too? Everybody was fooled and it's dishonest and intellectually lazy to come back now and say that the Bush admin 'lied'.
Were they wrong about the WMDs? To a very large extent, yes. Saddam's ability to make WMDs was far less than anyone thought. Was he still trying to acquire both WMD and the ability to deliver them? Yes to that too.

[Excaliber]

Indeed many good men were misled by Bush and his cronies, Colin Powell among them. I DO believe that Mr. Powell was sincere when he pushed for the war and the search for WMD's. But he was sincerely mistaken, he was fooled by his superiors. I think Bush's motivation to start the war was based on his own flawed thinking, he may well have fooled himself! Certainly he fooled many of those around him. He was/is a 'fanatic' in that regard and now seeks to justify his mistake.

I DO think the administration thought we would be seen as 'liberators' and were shocked when it didn't unfold that way. It was a rush to put down a bad guy and every means possible to make that happen was used, including bold lies.