Texas Teacher's packing guns this Fall

[4RE KLR]

This is exactly why our children are home schooled.

There was a second grader carried a loaded 9mm to school in our town last year. SHE was showing the gun to someone she was upset with from the previous day.

The parents didn't so much as get a slap on the wrist.


LOADED 9MM. Second grade. That is seven years old for those who are counting.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

This is exactly why our children are home schooled.

There was a second grader carried a loaded 9mm to school in our town last year. SHE was showing the gun to someone she was upset with from the previous day.

The parents didn't so much as get a slap on the wrist.


LOADED 9MM. Second grade. That is seven years old for those who are counting.

This may not be PC or very popular, but first off, I would beat the crap out of the kid, then, take the 9mm and shove as far as humanly possible up the parents rear ends, maybe, just maybe they would realize what this could have turned into.........Had Precouis decided to start pointing and pulling the trigger,can you imagine the damage she could have done???? I don't care how old she was/is, dead kids are still dead, no matter how old the shooter is!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David

[4RE KLR]

I agree 100%

At seven years old I don't think she could have pulled the trigger the second time, but once is too many.

[HI Cobra]

Sounds like parent neglect to me. Didn't teach the kid about guns, and
sure made it available. I'd be willing to bet the kid found it loaded too.
I can clearly remember being taught about guns from about 4 years old
and no way would I ever have considered doing what this girl did. Everyone
is very fortunate that the story ended this way. The parents should, at the
very least, be required to attend a gun safety class, and bring the kid
with them.

[Jamo]

Been following this thread and discussion blogs on this...I'm about as pro-gun as anyone here, but I gotta tell ya, I've got mixed feelings about this.

First, I'm not big on presuming all teachers know WTF they're doing on a day-to-day basis or declaring them all saints. We've represented more than a few school districts in the past, so I've seen some bad stuff coming out of the teacher ranks...sure as heck not comfortable with them carrying with no more requirement than a typical homeowner and a bit of "crises training." They are faced with situations (sheer numbers of kids, etc.) that even veteran cops would have difficulty dealing with.

We had a shooting here at a Fresno high school a few months ago that some of you might remember. A kid with some kind of emotional problem attacked a school cop with a bat and damn near knocked him out. The veteran cop tried to pull his first weapon and ejected the clip...he finally pulled his backup and in a half-dazed condition, shot and killed the kid. the kid could've grabbed his weapon easily if he had thought of it (some think it may have been a suicide-by-cop thing). If an experienced cop couldn't deal with the situation, some teacher with minimal training and a few seminars on dealing with large groups of kids is going to be hard pressed to do so.

I'd be more in favor of hiring more campus cops...let the teachers teach. My kids are grown now, but I'd have second thoughts of letting them go to school in armed camps.

[392cobra]

Jamo,
I understand your view point.The idea of teachers being armed in the classroom in the Dallas ISD isn't going to go anywhere.
Where you have 20 year old MEN still in High School as students and the teachers have no control to start with,Cops are having a tough time of it.

This unincorporated Texas town of Harrold in Wilbarger County is in a different situation and enviroment than most ISD's.

Wilbarger County
14,200 people
971 sq. miles
7 homes per sq. mile and 15 people per sq. mile
1 Sheriff and 2 Constables in Vernon - 20 miles away

Harrold Founded in 1880's
No Police,Sheriff Deputies or Constables
300 people
1 Post Office
4 businesses

Harrold ISD
K-12 on 1 campus
110 students
25 teachers

This students come from surrounding family owned farms & ranches.I would imagine most are familiar with and own their own firearms.
They are allowing teachers that are qualified and have a CHL to carry.The reason they give is that any help from Law Enforcement is 30 minutes away.

It's like a county I owned a business in,in the Hill Country,
10,000 people.

The vast majority of crime was brought into the county by way of highways.Not the local's living there.

That is their reasoning... Criminals from the outside is the threat and problem.

[Jamo]

...and that might pose a different set of considerations. "Back in the day" our pickups and flatbeds had loaded gunracks out in the parking lot during dove season.

[Sharroll Celby]

I dont think that ALL teachers would automatically arm themselves, mostly the pro-gun NRA types. I would imagine that if just one (or a few) teachers were armed for every, say, ten classrooms, that would be an average figure.

Besides, how do we know that some teachers arent ALREADY carrying a gun, but are smart enough to NOT get caught with it so far.

Like anything else, it's GOOD when the appropriate person does something we are in favor of, but we are dismayed if an inappropriate person does something wrong in an area out of their field of expertise.

[Jamo]

I've just never seen a fish out of water walk worth a sh!t.

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Jamo

I've just never seen a fish out of water walk worth a sh!t.

Excellant point.I hadn't looked at it that way.

With most teachers being female and most teachers being Liberals,that leaves very few that may have the ball$ to defend others with a firearm.

[4RE KLR]

We should never underestimate a Texas Cowgirl, that just so happens to be a teacher as well. In the country here boys and girls are brought up around guns and know how to handle them from an early age.

I was 8 or 9 when I was handed my first 357 Magnum. Yep, Dad was there and he was in control to be sure. He just wanted me to know what it would do if it was not respected. It was a lesson he learned from his father and my son has learned from me.

I certainly do agree there MUST be very diligent training for teachers to carry at campus. I think the school board would not want the liability either.

And
Jamo, I also agree that some that call themselves teachers today could not get out of a wet paper bag and I sure as hell would not want them to be armed.

[HI Cobra]

Fred,

"With most teachers being female and most teachers being Liberals,that leaves very few that may have the ball$ to defend others with a firearm."

Somehow I don't think that applies to the female teachers in Texas.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by Jamo

...and that might pose a different set of considerations. "Back in the day" our pickups and flatbeds had loaded gunracks out in the parking lot during dove season.

back in my day (about the same time frame as yours) we had guns in our cars and trucks from dove season (first week of Sept.) thru deer season (mid Jan.) and no one thought anything of it........

I remember a few fights in high school and no one ever gave a thought to go to the truck and get a gun, we just didn't do it, maybe our upbringing had something to do with that and living in small-town America, pop. about 4,000 at the time............

David

[427 S/O]

Your absolutely right David, the old days of fist-d-cuffs are long gone, no more shaking hands and letn' it go.

[xracerbob]

I'm just glad the nuns in the Catholic school I attended didn't carry guns. Bad penmanship would have been a capital offense.

[Jamo]

David

Population of 4,000? Hell, that's a metropolis, son!

About 1500 here in my town. You played both sides of the line in football, and you played every other damn sport.

You're spot on about resolving disputes with your fists. Seems to me that the reason we have problems today is not the introduction of weapons, but rather who uses them. Used to be that the big or athletic folks ruled the schools...usually experienced team participation, notions of fairness from sports, etc.

Now...any little POS geek becomes all-powerful with a knife or gun. Everyone knows geeks typically have mental and emotional problems from being...well....geeks.

Guns don't kill...geeks do. We need to stomp out the geeks.

[Cobrabill]

[quote=Jamo;We need to stomp out the geeks.[/QUOTE]

And hippies.

[4RE KLR]

I remember in High School I had a gun rack in my truck with a 30-30 in the rack all year long. Didn't have to lock the doors and would never have taken it down in anger.

Those days are gone forever.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by Jamo

David

Population of 4,000? Hell, that's a metropolis, son!

About 1500 here in my town. You played both sides of the line in football, and you played every other damn sport.

You're spot on about resolving disputes with your fists. Seems to me that the reason we have problems today is not the introduction of weapons, but rather who uses them. Used to be that the big or athletic folks ruled the schools...usually experienced team participation, notions of fairness from sports, etc.

Now...any little POS geek becomes all-powerful with a knife or gun. Everyone knows geeks typically have mental and emotional problems from being...well....geeks.

Guns don't kill...geeks do. We need to stomp out the geeks.

Yep, quarter back and middle safety on the footbal team, outfielder in baseball and wasn't too bad in basketball, didn't like track/field,too much running for me.........
We didn't have too many geeks and we didn't really pick on them, we just left them alone.....

I've always believed: "Guns don't kill people,people kill people.", guns are just their tool to do the job........

[quote]

Originally Posted by Jamo;We need to stomp out the geeks.[/QUOTE

And hippies.

Hey now, I was a hippie wannabe for a short time after high school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! got over that real quick though.....

David