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Tonight is going to be a win..win...or bust. however!, I feel confident Miss Sarah will wow! everyone. As I stated before, it's all about 'O'NO! and Miss Sarah. Of course it's odd comparing the dem. presidential nominee against the rep. vice presidential nominee but hey!, the news media started it and won't let up!. When you compare the management experience factor, she wins!...wins!. I'm also predicting her viewer numbers tonight will surpass 'ONO!'s lame acceptance speech. John McCain made a very good choice in Miss Sarah, a testament to his leadership decisions and how he will guide our country.

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I love watching these pathetic conventions. Watching Hillary try to explain why she was bashing Obama a few months ago, and Bush trying to explain why he made McCain out to be a nutcase a few elections ago.
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I must have missed Pres. Bush implying McCain was a nutcase.
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...boy I am tired of the negative in the gutter trash mouth vote for McCain campaigning here in the Club Cobra lounge.

Speaking of negative, so when are they are bringing the rape charges against his VP's daughters boy friend? You know, her being under 18 and all...
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If the boy is under 18 as well, I dont think there COULD be a rape charge.
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She hit it out of the ball park !

"o" and biden have a major problem now.
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Great speech - very impressive.
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...boy I am tired of the negative in the gutter trash mouth vote for McCain campaigning here in the Club Cobra lounge.

Speaking of negative, so when are they are bringing the rape charges against his VP's daughters boy friend? You know, her being under 18 and all...

Each state has its own laws regarding this. Be glad you (and your kids) don't live in Georgia. Stop wishing ill things on other human beings. Palin is one tough candidate. Some time ago, I bashed McCain and caught a lot of grief for it. Still, McCain is not a true conservative's conservative, yet I have grown to respect him more and more.

Go vote for Obama. Fine with me... but know that my vote will cancel yours. And, if there are other's who will vote for O, know this, my family is very large.

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Yup, a pit bull with lipstick.......

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Yes she did!, Capell's post of her bio. summed it up for me. She has loads of confidence, a big plus as she hits all the taks shows.

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Quote: Her critics in the media and in the opposition may regret having piled on quite so enthusiastically, and with so little heed for who they hurt — or angered. Watching the tumultuous, ecstatic reaction in the hall, I was reminded of the famous words of the Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbour: “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him (her) with a terrible resolve.”

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She is and will remain fair game for the media. Hard questions have been, will be and should be made, the media and public will 'vett' her in good time.

Sexist? BS! So many of you guys go to the gutter in a heart beat when it comes to blasting Obama. Communist? Muslim? Thinly vieled or overt racism, the negative attitude around here is disgusting. Many of you pea brains couldn't carry on a legitimate debate because your head is so far up McC's ass you can't even see straight.

Palin? Desperate move on McC's part, clearly a campaign running scared. I sure don't want another 4 years of 'Bushism', corruption and his cronies in the White House.
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Yes she did!, Capell's post of her bio. summed it up for me. She has loads of confidence, a big plus as she hits all the taks shows.

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427 S/O – I’ve no idea if you’ve ever read Hanson’s articles, but you may find this one interesting……


Victor Davis Hanson: Target Palin [Palinomania, Two nations, All About Race, All the Time]
September 4, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Palinomania

If the post-Speech reaction of the talking heads at CNN, PBS and MSBNC, or the op-ed ravings of Gloria Steinem, Maureen Dowd, Eleanor Clift or Sally Quinn are any indication, the Secret Service better enlist the Alaskan National Guard for help ensuring the Alaskan Governor’s safety.

A beautiful, confident, articulate, independent, accomplished—and conservative—woman apparently has enraged Team Obama, the mainstream media, and the entire American intelligentsia, as if they were collectively hit by a cruise missile aimed from Middle America.

When Palin talks about her present life it sounds as authentic as Biden’s showy populism came off as false. Enraged feminists are apparently the gatekeepers for less well-educated American women, who are supposed to have 0-1.5 children not 5! Their husbands must be professors, lawyers, CEOs, editors—not snowmobile champions, union members, oil workers, and fishermen—or, worse, all in one! And unlike a Pelosi, Quinn, or Clinton, Palin, God forbid, did not rely on a powerful, wealthy husband or father to energize her career. Worse still, she took no women’s studies class, never attended the Ivy League, and shoots moose. The danger is not just that Sarah Palin could win McCain the election, but she could expose the entire flimsy structure of doctrinaire liberalism as the hypocrisy—and chauvinism—it has become.

Dumb and dumber

At about the time that the Republicans were making the case that liberals were hyperpartisan, a little unhinged, and out of touch, hundreds of nutty demonstrators were outside the convention screaming in the usual street theater mode about war crimes et al.—even as Joe Biden announced that when elected, he and Obama may well seek out Bush administration officials to try them for crimes!

Two nations….

The Geraldine Ferraro Democratic Vice Presidential nominee appointment was an inspired stroke of genius that advanced the cause of feminism; Palin’s was tawdry tokenism.

Edwards was a social reformer brought down by the tabloids; Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is white trash and fair game.

Insulting “small town mayors” and “good looking” women is funny; suggesting that “community organizing” is often a farce is a felony.

Obama’s violation of drug laws with a “little blow” was youthful exuberance; Palin’s husband’s DUI was more proof of a working-class messy family.

Joe Biden bravely continued as Senator after the tragic death of his wife and daughter left his injured young sons with a single parent; Sarah Palin selfishly shorted her children by running for VP and endangered her infants by flying while pregnant.

Criticizing Clinton’s engaging in sex in the oval office and lying about it to the American people were once “the politics of personal destruction”; lying that Sarah Palin might not have been the mother of her 5th child is the mere overreach of the blogs caused by the improper vetting of the McCain campaign.

This all reminds me of the 2000 campaign when the media beat the dead-horse of Bush (Yale BA, Harvard MBA) as the lousy, lazy C-student, when, in fact, Al Gore’s undergraduate record at Harvard was full of C’s, F’s at Vanderbilt Divinity School (dropped out), and C’s at Vanderbilt Law School (dropped out). The point is not that quitting professional schools is necessarily a sign of anything, but rather once again that the media is shown to be bending and inventing facts for their higher purposes of liberal utopianism— a continuation of some half a century when we remember the “dumb” Ike floundering before the “brilliant” and “witty” Adlai Stevenson (who flunked out of Harvard Law School, a fact hidden from the public for decades.)

The Poverty of the Legal Culture

Every Democratic Presidential and VP nominee of the last thirty years, with the exception of Al Gore (law school drop out), has been a lawyer—Obama (s) and Biden, Kerry and Edwards, Gore and Lieberman, Clinton (s) and Gore, Dukakis and Bentsen, and Mondale and Ferraro. And while Carter was a failure, he at least brought a different perspective from someone whose professional training was argumentation.

The Republicans, at least, understood that legal training is not a prerequisite for the Presidency (one in law doesn’t build things, grow, defend, or create anything). The Democrats need to branch out, and find a Reagan, Palin, or McCain. Had the Bushes and Cheney been lawyers, I doubt they would have been elected. I am not suggesting that the products of modern law schools are not articulate, clever, used to arguing both sides of an issue, often rhetorically adept, and attentive to detail; but all that is part of the problem: they simply rarely wade out and solve problems rather than postfacto examining and litigating those who do.

All About Race, All the Time

Two truths have emerged: after promising to be the postracial candidate, Obama evokes race constantly; after suggesting McCain will, he hasn’t yet.

Remember this from Obama: “So what they are going to do is make you scared of me. You know he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like those other presidents (sic) on the dollar bills.”

Or this Obamism: “They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

Or this in Berlin: “I know that I don’t look like the other Americans who’ve previously spoken in this great city.”

Or his slur of his grandmother as a “typical white person” or the Pennsylvania “clingers” nonsense. No need to go into the rest of the Obama racial stable: Rev. Wright’s racist outbursts; Father Pfleger’s creepy rants; Michelle’s more subtle “they” “raised the bar” complaints, or Barack Obama’s own promises to fund more “oppression studies” as a result of the “tragic history” of the United States that requires “reparations” in deed, not just word.

And then, of course, there are the self-appointed spokesmen from the nut-fringe, racists like Ludacris or Diddy who have weighed in with creepy attacks on McCain and Palin. Here I include the ever crazy Howard Dean. Remember this from the Chairman of the Democratic Party: “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic Party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in the (chuckles) Republican Party, because we just give more opportunity to folks who are hard-working people who are immigrants and come from members of minority groups.”

Then there are the op-ed writers weighing in on cue, like Philadelphia Daily News columnist Fatima Ali: “If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness — and hopelessness!”

Or this from Harold Meyerson (who earlier accused Hillary and Bill Clinton of playing the race card) in the Washington Post: “In a year when the Democrats have an African American presidential nominee, the Republicans now more than ever are the white folks’ party, the party that delays the advent of our multicultural future, the party of the American past. Republican conventions have long been bastions of de facto Caucasian exclusivity, but coming right after the diversity of Denver, this year’s GOP convention is almost shockingly — un-Americanly — white. Long term, this whiteness is a huge problem.”

Or Bob Herbert’s fantastic claim that a McCain ad showing Obama speaking in front of the Berlin Victory Column was really a racist attack juxtaposing the Washington Monument and the Leaning Tower of Pisa as phallic symbols to scare the public about black male/white women coupling. About all Herbert revealed was that the New York Times columnist can’t distinguish America’s best known obelisk from a European monument to Prussian militarism.

Bottom line: expect more of the race card, especially if Palin gives the Republicans a bounce after the convention—and anyone who objects to it will be preemptively charged—of course—with racism.
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How people like Hanson can come up with this analysis within hours of an event is simply awesome. Right on the money!

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Excaliber- how quickly we forget the Clinton scandals. Maybe you forgot Bush is not running! It gets old hearing you liberals bring up Bush HE IS NOT RUNNING!
Give me one thing Obama has done, besides set up a neighbor hood group. Are we ignoring how O got elected in Chicago under the dirty politics of the Daly machine. Obama should of had a 20 point lead and easy win, BUT we the people are getting tired of Obama not giving us any idea how he will pay for all his programs. Raise tax's on oil-EVEN you know they will just raise there price
He will give eveyone insurance, but part of his wifes job is to keep those who cant pay out of the hospital she works at. Kind of insincere ah!
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McCain IS BUSH Jr.!
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McCain IS BUSH Jr.!
Would that make you, Obama Jr.?
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Excaliber- how quickly we forget the Clinton scandals. Maybe you forgot Bush is not running! It gets old hearing you liberals bring up Bush HE IS NOT RUNNING!
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I remarked in conversation yesterday that Palin was the modern, female Teddy Roosevelt; pro-America, anti-machine politician, and utterly unafraid of conflict with anyone. She is intelligent, tough, ambitious, and as inspirational as Roosevelt, with the ability to understand, communicate with and relate to the American people. She’s a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman and conservationist, as TR was. Same political experience, and pro-family to boot.

Moreover, her political enemies are completely afraid of her... just like Roosevelt’s were.

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She's genuine, whoa!, how hard is that to take!. Evendently John saw it, were just now getting to know her. Thanks John.........
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You did. Beside what is below, Bush brought up the fact McCain stated "I hate the gooks" during a campaign stop in reference to his Vietnamese captors, and called Falwell and Robertson the forces of evil, which riled the christian conservatives.

The battle between Bush and McCain for South Carolina has entered American political lore as one of the nastiest, dirtiest, and most brutal ever.[13][46][47] On the one hand, Bush switched his label for himself from "compassionate conservative" to "reformer with results", as part of trying to co-opt McCain's popular message of reform.[13][48][49] On the other hand, a variety of business and interest groups that McCain had challenged in the past now pounded him with negative ads.[13][50]

The day that a new poll showed McCain five points ahead in the state,[51] Bush allied himself on stage with a marginal and controversial veterans activist named J. Thomas Burch, who accused McCain of having "abandoned the veterans" on POW/MIA and Agent Orange issues: "He came home from Vietnam and forgot us."[13][51] Incensed,[51] McCain ran ads accusing Bush of lying and comparing the governor to Bill Clinton,[13] which Bush complained was "about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary."[13] An unidentified party began a semi-underground smear campaign against McCain, delivered by push polls, faxes, e-mails, flyers, audience plants, and the like.[13][52] These claimed most famously that he had fathered a black child out of wedlock (the McCains' dark-skinned daughter Bridget was adopted from Bangladesh; this misrepresentation was thought to be an especially effective slur in a Deep South state where race was still central[47]), but also that his wife Cindy was a drug addict, that he was a homosexual, and that he was a "Manchurian Candidate" traitor or mentally unstable from his North Vietnam POW days.[13][46] The Bush campaign strongly denied any involvement with these attacks;[46] Bush said he would fire anyone who ran defamatory push polls.[53] During a break in a debate, Bush put his hand on McCain's arm and reiterated that he had no involvement in the attacks; McCain replied, "Don't give me that ****. And take your hands off me."[45]

Bush mobilized the state's evangelical voters,[13][22] and leading conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh entered the fray supporting Bush and going on at length about how McCain was a favorite of liberal Democrats.[54] Polls swung in Bush's favor; by not accepting federal matching funds for his campaign, Bush was not limited in how much money he could spend on advertisements, while McCain was near his limit.[54] With three days to go, McCain shut down his negative ads against Bush and tried to stress a positive image.[54] But McCain's stressing of campaign finance reform, and how Bush's proposed tax cuts would benefit the wealthy, did not appeal to core Republicans in the state.[22]

McCain lost South Carolina on February 19, with 42 percent of the vote against Bush's 53 percent,[55] allowing Bush to regain the momentum.[55]
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The Bush-McCain 'battle' in the prior primary means nothing now - it's politics and that's how it's played, like a game with a winner and loser and just like football, for example, the players on each time at times are best friends off the field or at least respect each other. Why people go back over that ground is beyond me, on either side of the aisle. It's a waste of time.
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