Ammunition Accountability Act!

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Here it comes! Merry Christmas....
Wait till Jan 21... Welcome to the USSA The new Banana republic...


More happy news ?? - It's already beginning......
It's the ammo, not the guns !
They said for a long time that they wouldn't go for your guns, but going for your ammo your ammo...
Guns have a Constitutional protection. Ammo does not.
A list of states where this legislation is pending is in the final paragraph.
Not in CO or NM yet, they'll go where the pansies are first.
Gun owners had better TAKE ACTION on this one or you (we) are done for.

Ammunition Accountability Act


Heads up to all of you who swore to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign AND domestic.
Let your state Legislatures know that we do not want this bill passed, and petition them to vote no on this bill. We should keep after them until the bill is closed by bombarding them with e-mails, phone
calls, and letters.


Get to all your politicians to get to work and NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!!!
The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition Accountability Act is being introduced across the country.
Below is a list of states where legislation has already been introduced: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his minions and allies in the anti-gun world have no problem
with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including
Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to been coded by the manufacture, a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30,2009 unless the ammunition is coded.


Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011.


(Including handloaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If
they can deprive you of ammo they d o not need to take your gun!

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/...r=2228&pn=3188

[Wes Tausend]

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Geez, what next? I thought the powder was already tagged. Thanks for the heads up.

Wes


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[Ron61]

They even have BB guns and all air and gas powered type guns covered in that bill. I don't like any of this dam gun control crap. That lying sack of sh** that the morons elected president will soon have every state doing what this one has been trying for years and it will succeed with him having control of the Congress. Then what. All the rights that we have left are to own land and I am sure that will be rectified as soon as they can figure a reason to do so. To the anti gun crowd, if you don't like them don't buy one.

Ron

[Bobcat]

Thanks for the heads up . I am a South Carolinian and because so many of us hunt , fish and shoot , never thought I would see anything like this being considered here .
I`ll be contacting my Representatives , the Governor`s office and the NRA to find out anything I can next week .
Let`s hope that it is just some moron introducing this . Sometimes this happens and the bill is DOA in the Legislature .
This must have just happened as I am an NRA member/supporter and haven`t heard anything from their Legislative Update yet .
Let`s hope that if the citizens raise enough hell , the local State Governments will kill this abomination .

[turnpike boy]

The PA bill died in committee, never got out - it also lost two primary sponsors earlier on (the bill was first posted in February '08). That said, it will be back after the new year as these morons never give up. Commonly it is the bigger cities' representatives that post and push stuff like this - realities be damned, this is what they want.

DO NOT let your guard down; regardless of what has expired with the passing of the legislative year, you are ASSURED this will be back. WRITE/email your local congressman and tell him/her politely but firmly that this cannot be permitted to pass. Reference the bill number as it makes it easier for them to follow.



-Roger

[bomelia]

How do bills like this get considered simultaneously in many states? Is there a single organization managing this? WHo are they?

Mike

[427 S/O]

Good question Mike, I'd like to know as well.

[392cobra]

Mike & Perry,I found a partial answer to you question....A small company, Ammunition Accountability


Ammo Ban And Registration Proposal Getting Fresh Look

Friday, December 12, 2008

Happy Holidays: Now dispose of all of your ammunition! Every last round! From now on, you will be able to buy only overpriced ammunition that will be registered to you in a government database.


Not yet--at least for now. A small company, Ammunition Accountability--which wants to help anti-gunners price and regulate the Second Amendment out of existence, profit at the expense of our rights, or both--has found radical anti-gun legislators in 18 states willing to introduce bills pushing such nonsense.


But few anti-gun proposals are so overtly aimed at destroying the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As we began noting on www.nraila.org in January, so-called “encoded ammunition” or “serialized ammunition” bills would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns. In all but one of the bills, people would be required to forfeit all personally owned non-“encoded” ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-“encoded” ammunition. Reloading would be rendered illegal.


People would be required to separately register every box of “encoded ammunition” and the registration would be supplied to the police. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration. Gun owners would have to maintain records if they sell ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends. The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.


And to what benefit in terms of fighting crime? Criminals already steal guns and would certainly steal ammunition. Burglaries would be encouraged. Criminals could also use shotguns, which fire pellets too small to encode, and which use shell casings made of plastic, which would be difficult to engrave. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.


Congress eliminated a handgun ammunition sale recordation requirement in 1983, because there was no law enforcement benefit. Be on the lookout in your states in the next legislative session for anti-gun zealots who refuse to learn from history, plus continue their crusade against our Second Amendment rights.


For more information on this issue, please visit http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=227&issue=005, and www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=289.

[bomelia]

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology.htm

Well, while I am not a fan of big brother legislation, I fail to see how this will affect the average gun user (hunter, sportsman) other than cost. The cost part sucks. I think if money is recovered in a crime involving guns, the victims should get part of it (if possible) and part should go to offset costs of tagging. It sucks that 99% of responsible gun owners have to finance this effort for the 1% who do bad things.

Laser tagging is coming soon for use in cars and other expensive items to make it harder for criminals to hide the evidence.

Also, if this legislation fails to enact nationally, then ammo sales in states that have the etching will nosedive and correspondly rise in states that do not have it... making the law another farce. I find it hard to believe it pass in states like mine (Alabama).

Mike

[427 S/O]

Might load up (pun) on ammo at the next gun show.

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by bomelia

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology.htm

Well, while I am not a fan of big brother legislation, I fail to see how this will affect the average gun user (hunter, sportsman) other than cost. Mike

"People would be required to separately register every box of “encoded ammunition” and the registration would be supplied to the police. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration. Gun owners would have to maintain records if they sell ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends."

Besides the cost,I have a problem with registering each or any ammo.

I noticed they haven't tried submitting this Bill in Texas,YET.

[bomelia]

Again Fred, I am not advocating anything. One more layer of crap legislation on top of more. Anyhow, if this is not enacted federally, the whole thing will not work. And, it will end up being ignored. Also, if anything breaks down in the records process, then the whole thing implodes. Like the folks on the website mention, a tagged bullet at a crime scene does not tell you who pulled the trigger. And criminals will NOT buy their ammo at the gun store.

I am not affraid of this legislation. Although the idea has some merrits, its implementation will cost too much and never produce the general certainty that its progenitors would like to see.

Mike

[Bobcat]

Bomelia ... you should be very afraid of this pending legislation as it will only be the first step . Look at what has happened in the UK and Australia where no can own a firearm . In the past , some of these organizations have openly stated that their purpose was to make ammo so expensive that no one could afford it and the next step would be the guns .
It`s the classic camel`s nose under the tent deal . If enacted , the only people affected will be the law abiding folks .... do you really think the bad guys will follow the law ? This does NOT have to be enacted Federally to act as a catalyst ... if enough States pass it , then the Feds can say this is what the people want and issue a Country wide ban .... again , only the first step.
It also makes me wonder why they are so anxious to get guns out of the hands of the people ??

[Ron61]

Bobcat,

They want it so only crooks can have guns and since all of them are liars and crooks, they would be exempt from any of this crap. The marked bullet stuff is moronic. So you buy a box and have to pay an exorbitant sum to register it after you have paid twice what it should cost to start with and I come along and grab a few of yours when you are at the range and not looking. If we both have 45s and I decide to shoot someone with one of your bullets, then they will have a devil of a time and spend untold amounts of money trying to make it match the rifling in your gun. More moronic legislation by a bunch of idiots that have no idea about anything but imposing their ideas on everyone. But try and take away one of their rights and watch them cry.
I am a lifetime member of the NRA and the January issue of the magazine has some good articles in it that all gun owners should read. Especially about that ***** Brady and her group. They had some of it on Obama's web site but it has been removed now.

Mike,

You should worry. The gun thing is just the start of their stripping away all of our rights. And this dam state will be leading the parade.

Ron

[392cobra]

Ron,
I think you are right on track!

Josh,my son,has been a Lifetime Member of the NRA for over a year now.Bought him a Texas Lifetime Fishing License about the same time.
He told me last week that when he turns 21,he won't be looking to go drinking..."I'll be signing up to get a Concealed Handgun License instead".
That's my boy !

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by bomelia

I am not affraid of this legislation. Although the idea has some merrits, its implementation will cost too much and never produce the general certainty that its progenitors would like to see.

If that's true, it's because you haven't given it enough thought. Do you own a gun? - if so, and some of your serialized ammo manages to get stolen, or you leave a serialized empty case at the range, and that ammo winds up at a crime scene you are instantly going to be arrested. It will be up to you to prove your innocence - apart from the wholly specious nature of the charges, there is cost involved that you will not recover. And time. And reputation that may cost you your job, or future jobs.

Lovely, eh?

Yes, it will cost too much to administer; yes, there is no certainty it would work; yes, the technology to apply a serial # to each and every bullet and case is still in the works. Not a problem to the anti's as they're not terribly concerned with the minutiae of pragmatism - their funding also doesn't come out of their pockets, like yours does.

As expressed by Bobcat, getting this law is a piece of the pie, facilitating more to come. Individually they're all reasonable, right? - who could complain about waiting a day go get their new gun? Or who could complain about one-gun-a-month laws? How many do you need, anyway?

That's none of their business. Comparable to demanding confiscation of your Cobra since it doesn't get 40+mpg and emits 10 times the noxious greenhouse gases that their Prius' do. How many and how often is the concern of the buyer - there are more than enough laws to regulate those purchases and they actually do work. Microstamping of ammo is a total farce which - so far - has been seen that way by most.....the fact that it gets enough of an audience to actually wind up as a bill in anybody's house of government is what is scary.

[bomelia]

I own several. I also realize that liberals use step by step legislation to strip rights. But if you fail to attack "the attack" appropriately, then you will lose. Read everything on their website to fully understand their POV and angle of attack. I know based on their info that the biggest impact to me is cost. If their approach works, it will prove that 1% of gun owners are idiots. Something we already know.

Mike

[imagine2frolic]

Remember the Boston Tea Party! If you keep poking someone with your finger. Sooner, or later it gets sore. They need to beware of the backhand slap in the face. Dec. 16th 1773 was one of those slaps in the face.

[427 S/O]

Mike is 'right', ever so slowly they will take away your rights if you don't hit back. Thank goodness for the NRA, join.

[Wes Tausend]

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I guess freedom is never free.

I'm not sure exactly what I fear most in losing the American right to bear arms.

Guns aren't something I use everyday in the respect that I clean, fire or even fondle them daily. But they are always close ...yet ...and that gives me some peace of mind that I'm not entirely helpless should extreme violence find me or my family. Sometimes it's closer than one thinks. I don't want to register any info that might be used to search. I'm sure many of you have seen these links but if you haven't, look now:

New Orleans Nat'l Guard (2 min 06 secs)

New Orleans Police, guards and coast guard (7 Min 49 Secs)

Or maybe I just fear the general loss of independence of my individual rights, one by one. That seems to happen everytime I'm told to comply for my own good.

Then there is always that Black Helicoptor scenario that Jamo likes to bring up.
I heard that maybe Japan did not attack the US west coast because they understood that citizens were armed in this country. And today nobody dares openly attack this country in military infantry fashion. Great.

But really most loss of freedom in the world has probably occurred internally. Eventually a well-armed "Royal Guard" goes house to house neutralizing "insurgents".
The time for defending ones family with ordinary guns in this case has come and gone. If modern US Royal Guard comes to our house today, they will be so superiorly armed that open resistance is already futile. No doubt.

But there is still that merit left for retaining arms on a personal level:
Gun Control-Inside POV (2 min 36 secs)

I think we should publicly register the names, addresses and phone numbers of the people that come up with this "control" BS.
And then they can put a sign in front of their house that says, "The people that live in this house are un-armed. Please don't hurt us."

And sometimes new technology isn't better:
Sharps .45-70 Not an ordinary gun.

Wes


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