US Airways crash landing

[Fordzilla]

Buzz & 392cobra,..........Thanks! You made my evening. I just fell off my chair laughing!

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by vector1

anybody see an inverview of the pilot?

He is incommunicado until the NTSB is done with him.

And right out of the old George Carlin routine..."in the event of a water landing....IT'S NOT A WATER LANDING, IT'S A WATER CRASH!!!!!!!!!"

[jams]

Coast Guard Video of landing. The action starts at 2min

[jams]

I am so surprised this plane stayed afloat so long. I know it helped that it was in one piece but that is amazing to me.

[J. T. Toad]

Anthony,
Yeah it's the enviros fault that there aren't more nuclear plants on the river to keep the water warmer for the victims.

Aren't proctologist's supposed to help with "premature" responses?

I am saddened that more coverage wasn't give to the ferry captain who responded so quickly. In California, now, that would open him up to huge litigation.

[Ron61]

This report just popped up on my news module. I think the pilot reacted in the best way possible and deserves a lot of credit as does the people who rushed to help the passengers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/plane_spl..._cockpit_drama

Ron

[Don]

Another perspective :

NY Times.com
January 18, 2009
The Afterlife of Near-Death

By BENEDICT CAREY
Every experienced flier has sensed a whisper of death in a blast of turbulence at 25,000 feet, and many will swear they’ve heard their names called, loud and clear.

It’s not a moment people forget.

“All I could think about,” said a 50-year old nurse who’d recently been in a plane that lost an engine, “was my garage. How I hadn’t cleaned it, and how messy it would be when someone came in and saw it. It’s crazy what you think about.”

The mind reels in the presence of death.

From the shore and TV screens, the evacuation of a US Airways jet that ditched in the Hudson River on Thursday looked almost stage-managed, a slow-motion rescue complete with heroes and zero death.

But on the inside — and inside the passenger’s heads — the action was far wilder.

No one knew how long that plane would stay afloat, and those with a strong imagination surely glimpsed what could come: icy water moving shoulder high and higher; a shrinking, dark pocket of air; bobbing heads wheezing their last breaths. One man stripped to his underwear, in case he needed to swim; a mother climbed over seats with her baby to avoid a stampede.

Recollections of brushes with death are often infused with a quality close to madness. “Though my senses were deadened, not so the mind: its activity seemed to be invigorated, in a ratio that defies all description,” wrote Rear Adm. Sir Francis Beaufort, who fell off a boat in Portsmouth harbor on June 10, 1791, certain that he would drown.

Some pray, others leap into action; many report feeling a floating sensation. Yet it is the way the experience lingers in the imagination that may be most important, both for the immediate aftermath and for the months and years to follow. And while some sink into despair, struggling with jagged images of their near-extinction, for many the experience has an entirely different meaning.

“There’s a host of people who speak about being horrified, traumatized, who talk about a distortion in time afterwards, almost as though the accident or experience happened moments ago,” said Kenneth Manges, a clinical psychologist in Cincinnati who has treated survivors of floods, fires and armed robberies. “But others come through the trauma re-energized, with new sense of living and vitality — they’re very grateful, and feel blessed to have survived.”

This response mirrors what researchers call near-death experiences, in which people — surgical patients, heart attack victims who have been resuscitated — report transformational experiences, in the fogged cleft between life and death. In series of studies of such cases, including hundreds of patients and survivors of accidents, Dr. Bruce Greyson, a professor of psychiatry and neurobehavioral sciences at the University of Virginia, in Charlottesville, has found that most do not qualify for a psychiatric diagnosis. People who report out-of-body experiences, or sensations of floating, or religious transformation, often are preoccupied with the experience afterward, but do not see it as having a negative impact on their lives.

On the contrary: near-death experiences may protect many people from the anxiousness, the hyper-vigilance and nightmares that characterize post-traumatic stress.

“I do not advance that view from any theoretical perspective, but purely from the empirical evidence that the more positive near-death experiences tend to leave people with a sense of meaning and purpose in the traumatic experience and in life in general that buffers long-term emotional distress,” Dr. Greyson wrote in an e-mail. “The positive emotion in the experiences seems to leave them with a feeling of enhanced self-worth and a sense that they are not alone in dealing with life’s traumas.”

As they gain distance from the event, some people who see meaning in it may unintentionally embellish the experience, amplifying its religious or transformational qualities: What did not kill them made them stronger, closer to their children, to themselves, to their church.

For all of those who escaped Flight 1549 as the plane floated in the Hudson on Thursday, the very public nature of the accident could also affect its impact. Paul Greene, a professor of psychology at Iona College in New Rochelle, N.Y., and coauthor of the book, “FDNY Crisis Counseling,” said that the survivors will be barraged by images of the experience, in newspapers and on TV and the Internet, as well as by questions that might not be so easy to answer.

“They’ll have expectations to deal with, people asking them, ‘What did you learn in the final moment, what epiphany did you have?’ ” he said.

On the other hand, Dr. Manges said, the collective success of the evacuation, and the outpouring of concern, may give survivors some comfort. “Some may feel less isolated as a result of that,” he said, “and people who are isolated are at risk for post-traumatic stress.”

For whatever churning consumed the minds of those 155 people on board, they were just as responsible for their own escape as were the police and rescuers. “That pilot was a hero, fabulously trained, and the flight attendants, too,” said Lee Clarke, a sociologist at Rutgers University and author of “Worst Cases: Terror and Catastrophe in the Popular Imagination,” “but if those people didn’t keep their wits about them, they would not have made it — they were heroes, too.”

Like survivors of many previous emergencies, including 9/11 and the evacuation of an Air France flight that skidded off a runway in Toronto and crashed in 2005, they did not lose control. They were civilized and practical, whether obsessing about God, glory or the garage.

[767Jockey]

As an airline pilot I can tell you a few things about this event.

-We train for emergencies all the time but not really a dual engine flameout, and not a water landing.

-These guys did a wonderful job. Notice I said guys, not guy. The Captain wasn't alone, he couldn't have done this without his First Officer. As a Captain, I can tell you first hand that he most important thing I have on that aircraft is a good competent First Officer. Given that they were coming from an outstation (LaGuardia) to their hub (Charlotte) it is better than even money that the Captain wasn't even flying the plane, as more often than not the Captain flies INTO the outstations and the FO flies home to the hub. Not a hard and fast rule, but more likely than not.

-The press knows absolutely NOTHING about commercial aviation. As soon as an unfortunate incident like this happens, I shut off the TV because the talking heads, even the so called hired "experts" are clueless. Don't listen to a word these fools say.

-These guys will not be rewarded financially by their company, they will be further beaten into the ground at the time of their next contract negotiations. Want to hear the ultimate irony? The ferry Captain who plucked these people from the rafts in his boat makes considerably more money and had much better benefits than the two guys who piloted that aircraft to a safe landing. Pretty disgusting, huh? That's the state of our industry right now. Meanwhile this bozo Parker, who allegedly runs USAirways, takes home millions yearly in his bonus plan while simultaneously telling his pilots that he can't afford to pay them. Next time something like this happens they should hand the yoke to the Parkers of the world and say "it's all yours, buddy - good luck!"

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now.

[jams]

It is amazing how the first officer is getting little or no credit. We know it was a team effort that got the plane down safely and everyone off safely.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by 767Jockey

As an airline pilot I can tell you a few things about this event.

-We train for emergencies all the time but not really a dual engine flameout, and not a water landing.

-These guys did a wonderful job. Notice I said guys, not guy. The Captain wasn't alone, he couldn't have done this without his First Officer. As a Captain, I can tell you first hand that he most important thing I have on that aircraft is a good competent First Officer. Given that they were coming from an outstation (LaGuardia) to their hub (Charlotte) it is better than even money that the Captain wasn't even flying the plane, as more often than not the Captain flies INTO the outstations and the FO flies home to the hub. Not a hard and fast rule, but more likely than not.

-The press knows absolutely NOTHING about commercial aviation. As soon as an unfortunate incident like this happens, I shut off the TV because the talking heads, even the so called hired "experts" are clueless. Don't listen to a word these fools say.

-These guys will not be rewarded financially by their company, they will be further beaten into the ground at the time of their next contract negotiations. Want to hear the ultimate irony? The ferry Captain who plucked these people from the rafts in his boat makes considerably more money and had much better benefits than the two guys who piloted that aircraft to a safe landing. Pretty disgusting, huh? That's the state of our industry right now. Meanwhile this bozo Parker, who allegedly runs USAirways, takes home millions yearly in his bonus plan while simultaneously telling his pilots that he can't afford to pay them. Next time something like this happens they should hand the yoke to the Parkers of the world and say "it's all yours, buddy - good luck!"

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now.

well granted I agree with "almost" everything you stated, but let me push that soapbox a little

The pilot will make millions for a "memoir" of doing his job.

If you think the ferry captains make more money, I am sure you'd have been overly qualified for the job, that's your choice. That being said, the captains (Lombardi, Catanzaro, et. al) job isn't responding @ 2 min. after landing.

It will be interesting how this plays out.

What's sad is the true definition of heroic is regretfully ignored.

Self-preservation never qualifies.

[Jamo]

BTW, the co-pilot was driving when the birds were sliced and diced.

[Don]

But, according to ABC Evening News, the Captain took over the controls after the bird strike

Correct or ?

[Jamo]

Correct. Just indicating that 767's relaying of SOP applied in this instance.

[392cobra]

Has PETA decided whether or not to sue on behave of the geese yet ?

[Scott S]

Please tell me they were not Spotted Owls.

We have a couple of Airports here in Oregon that have protected wetlands off the ends of the tarmac.

Geese have more rights than you or I.

Scott S

[DAVID GAGNARD]

If they'd let us Cajuns loose around there for a few days, there would be no more geese and any other critters we could eat!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have recipes for most anything that flys,swims,crawls,walks,runs or does anything else..........with enough cajun seasoning and hot sauce we can even make an old boot taste good!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW:we is doing our part down here on the goose population.....next week the conservation program starts, we're allowed to shoot geese with unplugged shotguns, no limit and use electronic calling!!!!!!!!!!! season usually lasts about one month....

Geese have more rights than you or I.

Not in Louisiana!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David (aka:goose killer)

[Don]

By Alan Levin, USA TODAY Monday Jan 19th

NEW YORK — As US Airways Flight 1549 climbed out of LaGuardia Airport, Capt. Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger had his head down, doing routine duties while co-pilot Jeffrey Skiles flew the jet.

Then it happened.

The windscreen "was literally filled with big, dark brown birds," Sullenberger told investigators with the National Transportation Safety Board. His instinct was to duck, said NTSB member Kitty Higgins, who revealed Sunday new details of the plane's extraordinary safe landing in the Hudson River.

Sullenberger, 58, and Skiles, 49, felt thuds as the birds slammed into the jet, which was flying more than 250 mph. The captain smelled "burning birds," he told investigators.

Once the birds hit, Sullenberger immediately took control.

"My aircraft," he said

Complete Article:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...18-plane_N.htm

[Bill Bess]

PETA will probably sue and then want the airport to shut down forever. Then blame the pilots for not sterring around the flock of geese, or maybe airport radar should have picked up the geese prior to take off.....I don't know!

I would suggest installing "Goose Guards" across the front of all jet engines, I could build a few similar to the one I built for my Cobra. So far my "Goose Guard" (that's what I'm now calling it), has kept out a rabbit, cardboarrd box and several twinkie wrappers.
Seems like an easy fix, Bill

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Don

The captain smelled "burning birds," he told investigators.

mmmmm - sounds tasty! Now I gots to go raid the leftovers at this ungodly hour.

[Ron61]

The tapes and videos that I watched and listened to yesterday bear out everything said so far. The pilot and crew did a great job as did the boats and people who came to the rescue. Now bar the ambulance chasing doctors and lawyers from this and everything will turn out well. As for the use of traumatized by the crash, for crying out loud, I have been traumatized ever since I heard then name Obama. Can I sue him?

Ron