Now they want your knives.......

Roscoe · #1 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 05:24 AM

WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Obama move would eliminate 8 of 10 pocketknives

'If this were to pass and you cross the state line with one, it's a felony'

Posted: June 09, 2009
8:40 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency is proposing a new definition that could be used to eliminate 8 of 10 legal pocketknives in the United States right now, according to activists who are gearing up to fight the plan.

The federal bureaucracy is accepting comments – written only – that must be received by June 21 before its planned changes could become final, but Doug Ritter of KnifeRights.org, said the implications of the decision would be far-reaching, since many state and federal agencies depend on the agency's definitions to determine what is legal in the United States.

For a long time, those switchblades that have long stiletto blades that are spring-ejected powerfully from the side or end of the handle have been illegal in the United States, but now a review by the agency of its own approval in 2008 of a particular type of knife for import is raising serious alarms.

Ritter said the effect of the proposed change would be that the new design in knives, many of which contain a tiny spring to help the user pull open the blade and lock it into position, would be classified alongside those true weapons where the user just presses a button and the blade is ejected.

"They are saying that any knife that you can open quickly or any knife that you can open with one hand is therefore a switchblade," Ritter told WND.

He said the change came after the incoming administration of President Barack Obama reassigned some managers at the agency.

"What we do know is when the incoming administration reshuffled assignments at Customs, it moved the responsibility for knives and switchblades from one organization with Customs to a new organization," he said. "That group has, as far we can tell, virtually no experiences, background or anything with knives."

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Bobcat · #2 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 07:24 AM

Roscoe ... just more change we can believe in . Looks like I`ll be carrying my manrikigusari more now .... and a good thing I had a good Sensei on that one .
It would probably outlaw almost all knives as I have yet to find a knife that couldn`t be opened with one hand if you worked at it . I knew a man who was a dog handler in the army and he was able to cock a Army issue Colt 45 with one hand as he said it was a necessity when running the dog on a lead with the other hand . I didn`t believe him until he showed me several times ... and I still can`t do it .

Bob

Ron61 · #3 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 07:55 AM

Just the beginning of the Obama, Pelosi, Fienstien, Boxer socialistic state which will wind up becoming a dictatorship ran by the Great One if people don't wake up and get rid of that bunch. Don't forget the ball point pen that you carry in your shirt pocket is also a deadly weapon.

Ron

Paul F · #4 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 08:25 AM

What are the current laws regarding carrying knives? Are there any restrictions besides switchblades?

Ron61 · #5 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 08:31 AM

Paul,

I am not sure about it being a law, but around here they can arrest you and take the knife if it has a blade over 6" long. Hunting knives carried in a scabbard are in a gray area as it seems to depend on the person that sees anyone with one. I think that if you are in the woods hunting, then they are ok, but not to carry in town or on your person. I have asked a couple of our game wardens about that and received two different answers, plus our police department can't seem to agree on it either.

Ron

VRM · #6 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 08:47 AM

And yet more chicken-little sludge flavoured Kool-Aid from World Net Daily.

First off, this would not make any knives illegal to own - it would reclassify a single knife with assisted opening mechanism as a switchblade, and therefore make it against the law to import them from abroad or to sell them across state lines. The only knife in question is something called the VanHoy Assist. Swiss Army, Buck, and a whole slew of others would not be affected.

Second, the Feds do not have the power to ban a product - they can only limit the interstate sale of that product using the commerce clause. If it is against the law in your state to carry a switchblade it is because of your state legislature.

And finally - those of you who need to whine about this should take it up with the GOP as it was Republican Dwight D Eisenhower who signed the switchblade bill into law, NOT Obama.

Steve

Ron61 · #7 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 08:57 AM

Steve,

I am not whining as you so eloquently put it but am pissed off about the continual erosion of people's rights and your hero Obama is going to make Carter look like one of the best presidents ever by the time he gets total power. Don't think that because what is being done now may not affect you, that you are in some special position where you won't be affected as he gains power. I don't even carry a pocket knife and haven't for years, but I still dislike the continual Washington Gangs making every decision for me. They are supposed to represent the people not the people be in servitude to them. I haven't agreed with what most of the presidents for the past 20 years have done, but this guy scares me as I fear he will ruin this country. He spends so much time kissing up to the Muslims he doesn't have any time to see what he is doing to the country.

Ron

FWB · #8 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 10:50 AM

Go Ron!!!...............

VRM · #9 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 10:59 AM

Ron,
Harping on someone for something that they didn't do is whining. Obama, Pelosi et al did not have anything to do with changing the status on a particular kinife. It was some low-level bureaucrat just trying to do his job. You still have a week or so to comment on it.

I am not in favour of banning switchblades. They were originally banned (before Obama was even born - but just keep blaming him

) because they were being used in crimes.

I am no fan of Obama or any other politician, but blaming Obama for a 1958 law is just paranoid Kool-Aid drinking designed to rile up the right wingnuts.

Steve

Ron61 · #10 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 11:22 AM

Steve,

From you answer I must have succeeded in riling you up. As for the switch blades, I did not blame Obama for banning them. I know that was long before he came on the scene. As for Pelosi and her group, I detest them, always have and always will. You want to call it whining go right ahead. I am still afraid for this country and some day a lot of people are going to wake up to the fact that they have given all of their rights away and we are nothing but a 3rd rate country of servants to the Govt.

Ron

FWB · #11 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRM

Ron,

I am no fan of Obama or any other politician,

Steve

should i send you links to some of your posts where you are a fan of obama.

VRM · #12 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWB

should i send you links to some of your posts where you are a fan of obama.

Go ahead - consider yourself challenged. You may find an instance or two where I might agree with him, but you will also find instances where I agree with McCain and Bush as well. It does not mean I am a fan.

So how long do you get until you have to change your name to Meier? 24 hours enough?

Steve

FWB · #13 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 02:26 PM

the meier must be some inside joke or lib code.....

VRM · #14 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWB

the meier must be some inside joke or lib code.....

No - not really - it is just a historical reference about someone else who made a claim they were not able to live up to.

I'm a bit of a history nut with with a near photographic memory and a strange sense of humour - ask Bomelia about Birabongse someday.

SP01715 · #15 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron61

Paul,

I am not sure about it being a law, but around here they can arrest you and take the knife if it has a blade over 6" long. Hunting knives carried in a scabbard are in a gray area as it seems to depend on the person that sees anyone with one. I think that if you are in the woods hunting, then they are ok, but not to carry in town or on your person. I have asked a couple of our game wardens about that and received two different answers, plus our police department can't seem to agree on it either.

Ron

Section 12020 of the California Penal Code covers weapons. It is a long section, but if you read through it you can get a pretty good idea of what is legal to own and carry. I will stick with my Glock .40

cobra de capell · #16 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 04:16 PM

near photographic memory and a strange sense of humour

I'm with you on the the second part, but the first part puts you in the space cadet category around here.

Roscoe · #17 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 05:26 PM

I carry a Benchmade automatic knife.

If you read the article you would find that the previous personnel that made decisions on this were replaced by bureaucrats who know nothing about knives. I believe, as the article does, this will restrict knives that have the thumb stud. Here is the knife in question. Buy one now!!

https://www.bladehq.com/item--CRKT-Van-Hoy-OnFire--1947

Roscoe

UPDATE!

Roscoe just ordered one......

Roscoe

Ronbo · #18 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 06:15 PM

There are also a couple states that it is illegal to have a double edged knife of any kind. (like an Arkansas toothpick, daggers, ect.)

VRM · #19 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roscoe

I carry a Benchmade automatic knife.

If you read the article you would find that the previous personnel that made decisions on this were replaced by bureaucrats who know nothing about knives. I believe, as the article does, this will restrict knives that have the thumb stud. Here is the knife in question. Buy one now!!

https://www.bladehq.com/item--CRKT-Van-Hoy-OnFire--1947

Roscoe

UPDATE!

Roscoe just ordered one......

Roscoe

Actually Roscoe,
It says that Ritter from the Knife Rights group makes the claim:

"What we do know is when the incoming administration reshuffled assignments at Customs, it moved the responsibility for knives and switchblades from one organization with Customs to a new organization," he said. "That group has, as far we can tell, virtually no experiences, background or anything with knives."

Ritter offers only an opinion based, perhaps, on the fact the he does not like the review.

Frederick McCray, the guy who ordered the review, is the Chief of Intellectual Property Rights Branch of the Department of Homeland Security, and he was appointed to the post in 2003! How did Obama do that!?!

Or is it a Republican flunky trying to take our knives away?

Or is it someone just trying to get some press so some suckers wil buy some knives.

Seriously, WND are NOT reporters, just Kool-Aid dispensers.

Steve

turnpike boy · #20 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRM

Frederick McCray, the guy who ordered the review, is the Chief of Intellectual Property Rights Branch of the Department of Homeland Security, and he was appointed to the post in 2003! How did Obama do that!?!

Or is it a Republican flunky trying to take our knives away?

Hmmm....maybe, just maybe.... his new boss decided for him that it was time for him to re-evaluate a protocol that had been sitting for 6 years (+), unresolved, as far as the new boss was concerned.

Nah. This new administration wouldn't do that. Pshaw. Must be another Republican flunky, posturing to show he's still relevant......