Who will read the Health Care Bill ??

[cobra bill]

OK now it seems we are finally talking here, we are paying for those that are un-insured right now, just as with auto insurance, I have to buy a supplement to my insurance to cover those that refuse to buy their own, just to cover my butt, in health insurance there is no such option, the only reasonable alternative to this is a government run system for those people, its far cheaper and I don't much care if they don't have all the benefits that someone who pays for insurance gets, that's kind of the point you get what you pay for or not, depending on weather you are paying for your own, as it is we are still paying, it's just that we are paying for them to go to where paying customers go and they get the same treatment, only on our dime! that's why we have 20% inflation on what we pay for healthcare every year, and with as many people there are losing their insurance every day it's only going to get worse.

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Bill,

without a government run option they will always be un-insured,

I don't entirely agree with that. I have no insurance and I don't want to be forced to pay for what I don't want. You nor anyone else pays for my medical bills. I pay them out of my savings. I don't want the Govt. to start telling me I have to buy this or that and dictating what I can or can't do. I see this whole mess as nothing more than another power grab by the Messiah.

Ron

Well this mess has been around for a long time it's been 60 years since it was first brought up in congress, so it's been researched for long enough, I don't see how it's a power grab, it's more of trying to control cost, as it is, its spiraling out of control, I have the utmost respect for what you are doing Ron, but you are one of the few, those that are letting us pay for their care are the ones causing the double digit inflation, I say give them a basic government run healthcare and if they want to buy better they are more than welcome to join the rest of us. I have to pay in my property tax for the fire department as well as the police, and education, these things would be outrageous to pay for, if they were for profit corporations, I sent my kids to private school, I still had to pay for everyone else's kids to go, but that was part of the deal I knew going in if I wanted better for mine I would have to pay for it.

[Ron61]

Bill,

Not to argue, but I just don't see why anyone should be forced to buy anything by our Govt., I don't care who is President. I know it has been researched and billions wasted as usual on the research. If I choose to get along the way I do, it does not cost any tax payer a penny. And I pay extra for the schools which is added to my property taxes and I don't have any kids nor have I ever. And like all of you, I pay for the fire and police protection.
I really don't know what the fix could be, but this Govt. mandated stuff or we will fine you isn't it. That will certainly help people who can't afford to pay anything, by taking away what little they have. If you and the rest are happy with this, then why not give those of us who want nothing to do with it the option of not taking it?

Ron

[bomelia]

Why won't you guys take a little time to email your congressman?

Nothing here being solved by this debate.

BTW, have you all thought about what is NEXT after this? What else will the clamoring children be begging uncle sam to pay for? Housing? Food? Cars? Energy?

I think it will be energy. Or perhaps housing. Everybody has a right to a roof over their head, right? Yup. Its gonna be housing. I think cap & trade will be used to provide all the "have nots" with energy.

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Bill,

Not to argue, but I just don't see why anyone should be forced to buy anything by our Govt., I don't care who is President. I know it has been researched and billions wasted as usual on the research. If I choose to get along the way I do, it does not cost any tax payer a penny. And I pay extra for the schools which is added to my property taxes and I don't have any kids nor have I ever. And like all of you, I pay for the fire and police protection.
I really don't know what the fix could be, but this Govt. mandated stuff or we will fine you isn't it. That will certainly help people who can't afford to pay anything, by taking away what little they have. If you and the rest are happy with this, then why not give those of us who want nothing to do with it the option of not taking it?

Ron

Ron,
I have no argument with your premise, no one should be forced to buy into something they either don't want or can't afford, what we need is a safety net for those who wish to not buy in for whatever reason, and get what is now a way too expensive a system off our backs, I understand what you are saying, you are paying for yourself and not taking help from the tax payers, but there are some things, such as healthcare that if we do not get a handle on the price now, there will be no hope of ever getting the debt under control. I know the way it looks now, how could they ever get it under control, a lot of the banks have re-paid their loans, but the 2 wars and the cost of starting up Homeland security and many other things were never put on the budget, as it is now, along with the stimulus package it all looks overwhelming, and whether you agree or disagree the tarp and stimulus were necessary, the only way to possibly get a handle on it, is to get to spiraling cost of healthcare under control, what we have now will never do that, it will only get worse! So we either do nothing as the Republican party would like, but remember they have an agenda, they want this administration to fail, no matter what the cost to our nation.

[4RE KLR]

Listen,
I have asked three times to keep the thread on topic.

Look at the thread title and read it again.

If you have any doubt about it, then start another thread that you can monitor.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

Ron,
I have no argument with your premise, no one should be forced to buy into something they either don't want or can't afford, what we need is a safety net for those who wish to not buy in for whatever reason, and get what is now a way too expensive a system off our backs, I understand what you are saying, you are paying for yourself and not taking help from the tax payers, but there are some things, such as healthcare that if we do not get a handle on the price now, there will be no hope of ever getting the debt under control. I know the way it looks now, how could they ever get it under control, a lot of the banks have re-paid their loans, but the 2 wars and the cost of starting up Homeland security and many other things were never put on the budget, as it is now, along with the stimulus package it all looks overwhelming, and whether you agree or disagree the tarp and stimulus were necessary, the only way to possibly get a handle on it, is to get to spiraling cost of healthcare under control, what we have now will never do that, it will only get worse! So we either do nothing as the Republican party would like, but remember they have an agenda, they want this administration to fail, no matter what the cost to our nation.

Un-Freakingbelievable. A democrap administration, democrap control in the House, and democrap control in the Senate and YOU are STILL trying to blame Republicans.
This anti-American cabal IS failing and will fail because they ARE corrupt, have ZERO respect for America, and are completely disassociated with reality. And they "think" they can accomplish their WORTHLESS goals by lying about everything.
There is nothing about the present administration that even vaguely resembles what foolish people THOUGHT they were electing.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by 4RE KLR

Listen,
I have asked three times to keep the thread on topic.

Look at the thread title and read it again.

If you have any doubt about it, then start another thread that you can monitor.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you are not in control here, only Jamo, ComputerWorks, possibly Brent have any control power.....therefore, if any one of the above are 'asking' you - they are playing with you, big time. Besides, isn't this the lounge - why is it necessary to keep threads on topic in the lounge?

Actually, are we now being monitored to the degree that threads not only have to be kept 'clean and in compliance with club standards' - they are now monitored so that they stay on track - in the lounge - and, you've actually been asked three separate times in the last few days to do so or, I suppose, have the thread put in the garbage bin?

I would think that whatever members want to post and discuss would be OK under any thread title - in the lounge. Isn't that like real life?

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Un-Freakingbelievable. A democrap administration, democrap control in the House, and democrap control in the Senate and YOU are STILL trying to blame Republicans.
This anti-American cabal IS failing and will fail because they ARE corrupt, have ZERO respect for America, and are completely disassociated with reality. And they "think" they can accomplish their WORTHLESS goals by lying about everything.
There is nothing about the present administration that even vaguely resembles what foolish people THOUGHT they were electing.

See you make my point for me, you don't see me calling you names or your party or president names? lighten up a little, this is the same crape that was said about every democratic president and they are still bashed for it to this day, the country is still hear and none the worse for who was in office, and I won't even get started on the last administration so without an argument, and only talking points and name calling, it's pointless to even discuss it with you. You’re the one that hates this country, and wishes it would fail to prove a point, you do the same every time a democrat gets elected, it's getting a little old and you have no evidence to back you up, its just hate and discontent!

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

See you make my point for me, you don't see me calling you names or your party or president names? lighten up a little, this is the same crape that was said about every democratic president and they are still bashed for it to this day, the country is still hear and none the worse for who was in office, and I won't even get started on the last administration so without an argument, and only talking points and name calling, it's pointless to even discuss it with you. You’re the one that hates this country, and wishes it would fail to prove a point, you do the same every time a democrat gets elected, it's getting a little old and you have no evidence to back you up, its just hate and discontent!

Please post ANY verifiable true statement by obummer. ANY! Except, when HE said, "I am BIASED." and, "I do not know the facts." Other than those TELLING admissions, everything he has said and done since being elected is a PROVABLE LIE.
If what is so disgustingly obvious to all but the terminally entranced is hate and discontent-----PROVE IT!

[cobra bill]

I won't waist my time with you, no matter what I say or bring to bare as facts, you will deny it!
For all those out there that are willing to do some homework on healthcare, we already run the best healthcare system in the world, and it is government run, here is a web site that talks about a book written on the subject, the book is (Best Care Anywhere) http://linuxmednews.com/index_html
I would hope that anyone serous about making the country a better place and not just for ideological reason want the country to fail, will read the book, and do your homework, this is too important to ignore, no matter what party you are in!

[4RE KLR]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you are not in control here, only Jamo, ComputerWorks, possibly Brent have any control power.....therefore, if any one of the above are 'asking' you - they are playing with you, big time. Besides, isn't this the lounge - why is it necessary to keep threads on topic in the lounge?

Actually, are we now being monitored to the degree that threads not only have to be kept 'clean and in compliance with club standards' - they are now monitored so that they stay on track - in the lounge - and, you've actually been asked three separate times in the last few days to do so or, I suppose, have the thread put in the garbage bin?

I would think that whatever members want to post and discuss would be OK under any thread title - in the lounge. Isn't that like real life?

WRONG! This is my thread and I am responsible for it.

Stick to the thread topic!

[4RE KLR]

Jamo,

I have asked repeatedly for everyone to stay on topic and some cannot seem to follow instructions.

I feel this thread has run its course of useful life and do not want it to turn into another fight amongst the same people. It is getting old and I do not want to be responsible for this thread any longer.

Request made to close this thread.

[Jamo]

Done


SpaceBill

One day suspension for the following...

I won't waist [waste] my time with you, no matter what I say or bring to bare [bear] as facts, you will deny it!

[Jamo]

VRM

I'm warning you...when a thread-starter is asking folks to stay on track, we will enforce his or her wishes. The following mindset may get you a suspension.

I would think that whatever members want to post and discuss would be OK under any thread title - in the lounge. Isn't that like real life?