Obamacare Meltdown

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

I think you may have something to build off here....and I believe the various insurance companies and financial instutions take those factors into account....but you have to start somewhere to hold people accountable for their bad choices and I would start with the fat people....I see kids (0-16) as victims and investments... assuming the cost of keeping them healthy is cheaper...and besides it is what Jesus would do !!!

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

You know damn well I was talking about the people that eat too much of the wrong stuff and don't exercise...BUT .. you are right about the well know fault of generalities...so...if you are offended, I am sorry..

[Excaliber]

Just more BS from the radical wingnuts, kill the fat people, pull the plug on Grandma, illegals get health care, oh, and here is two words you could use in the same sentence...

"nightmare" and "Palin", dream, not so much!

Man you need hip waders trying to separate fact from fiction around here.



That ought to keep them fired up and typing madly away to defend their loosing ideals. Have it boys, or should I say children!

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

And Sara Palin is going to be the leader of the Free World....

Well, if you liberals can elect someone like Obama with even less experience, anything can happen.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Not just Obama, every liberal that has ever held office. They have taken the words "equal opportunity" and contrived them to mean "equal entitlements." Because free enterprise in a capitalistic society won't give away healthcare, and because 47 million are now without, enter the US Government under liberal rule. Every time a liberal administration gets into office, the first thing they do is start spending money on social programs and expanding the footprint of "government." Its yet another attempt to reduce and EQUALIZE all of the hard working Americans to the lowest common denominator of the unemployed slob living a welfare mentality. And with that social equalization in place they get one step closer to a socialist regime. Now ask yourselves, how many idiot 20-somethings even understand all this enough to consider it when voting?

Well yes, we should have started years ago.

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Just more BS from the radical wingnuts, kill the fat people, pull the plug on Grandma, illegals get health care, oh, and here is two words you could use in the same sentence...

"nightmare" and "Palin", dream, not so much!

Man you need hip waders trying to separate fact from fiction around here.



That ought to keep them fired up and typing madly away to defend their loosing ideals. Have it boys, or should I say children!

I really hoped that you would stay off my thread, as I requested, but since you've posted, here's the same contribution that you made, no text just graphics this time....

Please assume your life long position in back of the truck.

[cobra de capell]

THE HOPES OBAMACARE WOULD KILL

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08182009...ill_185126.htm

By Marc K. Siegel, a practicing internist, is an associate professor of medicine at NYU Langone Medical Center and a Fox News medical contributor.

Many of my seniors are now frightened by the prospect of long lines or frank denials, that doctors will be "treating them differently because they have already had more life years," as Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, an Obama health-policy adviser, coolly recommended in a recent article.

[Jamo]

You girls are getting all b!tchy...wrap it up.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

...http://www.nypost.com...... a Fox News medical contributor.

...nuff said :LOL

It the same broken record...over and over... very sad....pitiful actually.

Brings out the worst in people.

Not fun....can't continue.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK I have tried to stay out of this, but statements like this bother the hell out of me. My wife was always in shape and always played sports. In her mid 30s her thyroid quit and she put on a lot of weight really fast. Now she is on medication for her thyroid but no matter what can't loose much weight. She is one of the fat people you describe and it was not by a poor lifestyle choice. It is a medical condition. People with Diabetes (such as myself) taking insulin have had insulins that cause weight gain, so before you just judge fat people, consider the medical help they seek may just be to treat the DISEASE that caused the weight gain in the first place.

My wife also has experienced the same health problems as your, plus a some other health issues and medicine that keep adding fuel to the fire.
The real problem here is the underlying thought that the left has taken as their banner. That is that health is part of their value system, and society should be controlled, by government, i.e. tax on soft drinks, and sugar, also that control on smoking. I do not smoke and think its a dumb decision to ever start and I am not campaigning against good health.What I am against is thought that we will control your health with the government, that it has a responsibility to make sure we are healthier. The left now will say they are being penalized by the life style of others and are having to pay for their bad decisions, when its always been that way. We pay more in most stores because of theft by customers and employees.We pay more because of uninsured motorist, etc. etc. The liberal solution is to legislate and tax those they perceive as the offenders.
And be sure it will be part of any government involvement in health care.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Jamo

You girls are getting all b!tchy...wrap it up.

But I guess as moderator you must be right... I sincerely hope no one took offense when none was intended....but I have to say as a black, lesbian postal worker I can't tell you how many nights I have cried myself to sleep because of the racist, sexest, homophobic posts I have seen in here that were deliberate attempt to sterotype and hurt anyone who isn't a rich, white, mean old SOB..

[Jamo]

"...as a black, lesbian postal worker..."

Any private videos?

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

.but I have to say as a black, lesbian postal worker I can't tell you how many nights I have cried myself to sleep because of the racist, sexest, homophobic posts I have seen in here that were deliberate attempt to sterotype and hurt anyone who isn't a rich, white, mean old SOB..

Geez.....Just don't go postal on us.

[Excaliber]

Yup, that picture sum's up what most of you have to say all right, thanks for posting that CDC.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Just more BS from the radical wingnuts, kill the fat people, pull the plug on Grandma, illegals get health care, oh, and here is two words you could use in the same sentence...

"nightmare" and "Palin", dream, not so much!

Man you need hip waders trying to separate fact from fiction around here.



That ought to keep them fired up and typing madly away to defend their loosing ideals. Have it boys, or should I say children!

Its hard to argue against cold hard logic like that.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

They pay a fraction of what they collect..



But the alliteration was really cool.....

The lobotomy was more than frontal, or do you have a retirement plan where you HOPE to realize a loss. An intentionally MINUS 401K, a new and completely uninteresting concept. liberals,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

And it is a fraction, as is 99/100 is a fraction.

A worker and their employer pays in over FIFTEEN PERCENT of each paycheck, over 7% each, just for Social Security [FICA]. This could go on and on for over 50 years and you suggest they throw it away. Utter nonsense. If you want YOUR FICA and Medicare taxes to go to non-contributing illegals, by all means, write to Washington and turn your money over to the worthless parasites. But do NOT even think about touching a cent of an actual working producer's money.

[Jamo]

Okey dokey then...I think everyone's had an opportunity for a final kick in the nuts to someone else.

...and we will expect that there won't be any need for personal jabs on any other thread for a good period.