Dear Leader to Address Students.....

[VRM]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

well here's my chance to get kicked and a locked thread in one comment.

You want to be balanced, and yet you look at the tree in the middle of the forest. Your attack of a "joke" about tinfoil hats has no place and yet you still make the comment. Next thing you know closet liberal trying to appear wise CW will lock down the thread just because you, EX, or C (space) B, makes some off-discussion moronic personal school kid description to someone who may disagree with you.

Private fortune, public cash

no CW doesn't have to explain himself, nor justify it, which is why I exercise my willingness to be banned by such prick-ish behavior.

tin foil.... is that why they retracted their first agenda and then the entire event?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elec...ts-help-obama/

let's just say this, the hat is far better than the no hole tin foil face mask you must be wearing.

Kudos to Juggernaut for using the term "ignorant" in such an appropriate manner.

I guess you are talking to me since I was the one who brought up tin-foil hats.

There are plenty of insults that come from both sides, and trust me, I've taken a lot more than I have given just because I often disagree with the right wing majority on this forum. I don't see you riding to my defense when the insults are flying in my direction so please don't even bother trying to lecture me - you have no leg to stand on.

CdC and Roscoe like to copy/paste from World Net Daily - basically a right wing version of Move On, and neither of which deserve any sort of credibility as a news source. If anybody tried to use Move On as a source I imagine the comments on this forum would be quite a bit more colourful than just mention of a tin foil hat.

As for Obamas school address - the phrasing has no meaning until it can be taken in context with the actual speech. 'How do kids help the president?' - well, help him do what? Sure, we could use our imaginations and fill in the blank with whatever fantastical thing our paranoid little minds can come up with. Personally, I prefer to reserve judgment that the sky is falling until I have more data than just the posts of someone who consistently uses questionable sources.
And the fact that Obamas administration revised the plan because of wording they say was taken out of context shows that there is at least a marginal capacity for learning from mistakes - something the preceding administration did not show nearly often enough.

As for CW - I have never met him and cannot say what his politics are. I do know that he has closed right AND left wing threads when the name calling or posting of bogus information gets too extreme or violates the forum rules. Almost all of the political threads here are started by right wing types; Excaliber and C-B rarely start one, and I almost never do because I usually think both sides are wrong to some degree. So the simple math would indicate that CW would shut down more right leaning threads than left simply because there are more of them. I think that CW and Jamo both deserve our thanks for putting up with the crap political posts from all of us (well, mostly CdC).

Steve

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by J. T. Toad

well here's my chance to get kicked and a locked thread in one ...blah, blah, blah

No thread closing and no banning here.

The link you posted was closed because two fellows took the thread sideways...against the rules. No explanation required.
If a discussion can't be had without attacking or demeaning the other guy's opinion...it just doesn't stay active.

The only thing I do in the closet is look for a clean t-shirt.

...and you are right about me being wise.

[Jamo]

...and so it goes.

[cobra de capell]

[Excaliber]

...been busy to selling a house. What'd I miss? Anything important?

[SPF2245]

I have two children, both young and in grammer school. They do not need ANY president (of either party to be absolutely clear), to ask them anything about what they can do for him. I don't care what the purpose of this crap is, but I have to sign a letter of release to allow my children to watch a movie (and I'm totally for that, atleast I know what is going on and can have my children excluded if I so choose), but this was dropped on my by the internet and news, not the schools. I'm able to forgive and forget quite a bit, but this crosses a line that health care, stimulas, Gitmo, bailouts can't even begin to approach. There is no reason for any president to conduct this sort of crap during class hours. Mr. Obama, want to wish my children well for the new school year? Then say a prayer and DO YOUR JOB, don't waste their time or yours by this excuses to intrude on their education!

And for you liberals out there, if Bush tried this stunt...I'd be even more PO'd, because I'd expect him to know better then cross the line of talking to my kids.

And I don't find this funny, I don't see any humor in it and even if I was swayed by some excuse, I'd bet there are quite of few parents out there who are equally mad.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Roscoe

Like he knew, right?

OH, Sorry....your from Vermont.....I understand....

Roscoe

Originally Posted by LURK

Wanna compare gun laws, cupcake?

I'll compare gun laws.

Just WTF was he suppose to do?Jump up,pull his panites up around his ears like a liberal and run around the room screaming?


Back to topic:There was a piece on the news about parents in the local school district calling up the school administration and telling them that they DID not want theri kids to hear the speech.
Now when before has ANYONE heard of parents telling the school faculty that they didn't want their children to hear what THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES had to say?

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Now when before has ANYONE heard of parents telling the school faculty that they didn't want their children to hear what THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES had to say?

Now that is really a disgraceful shame. What does that tell a kid about respect for the Office of the President and their country?

It is sad that this blind bias on the part of these people could undermine true American values in their children.

[LURK]

On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marlin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “to schools nationwide on three different days.”

"Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity."

[SPF2245]

If Obama or any president wants to put on a 2 minute speech about having a good year in class and wished them sucess, I'd be sitting here quiet...because I'd find that acceptable. But if the U.S. Department of Education is going to forward a lesson plan to them, The President is going to speak to them about anything else, I want to know what is being said/taught before hand. Questions like "what they can do for him", in any context is not fair to a child in 1-6th grade and mirrors too many bad examples in history.

“Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.”

Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to “build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama.”

During the speech, “teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful…Kinney said suggestions like asking students to recall “other historic moments” when the president spoke to the nation and to hone their listening skills by taking notes during the address are useful.”

After reading the Department of Education lesson plans for the speech, McCluskey said he noticed several passages that should set off “alarm bells,” including language that attempts to “glorify President Obama” in the minds of young students.”

“It could be a blatantly political move,” he said. “Nobody knows for sure, but it gives that impression.”

Maybe this was a poorly excuted plan by Obama and the Dept. of Ed, either way, alot was said when they (the Gov't) began cutting parts out of the materials, because had it been done for any reason other then political moves...they'd defend it, explain it but what do they do? Remove it, says alot right there.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by SPF2245

If Obama or any president wants to put on a 2 minute speech about having a good year in class and wished them sucess, I'd be sitting here quiet...because I'd find that acceptable. But if the U.S. Department of Education is going to forward a lesson plan to them, The President is going to speak to them about anything else, I want to know what is being said/taught before hand. Questions like "what they can do for him", in any context is not fair to a child in 1-6th grade and mirrors too many bad examples in history.

The lesson plan fits with a message of staying in school. It could fit with a myriad of other things also. The lesson plan is also optional - the teacher/school (who most parents already blindly trust as babysitters) will decide what (if any) lesson plan will go with the speech.

Clinton used his personal charm to get a BJ. If Obama wants to use his personal charm to let a 10 year old think that he is important enough to help the President by staying in school and getting good grades, well, he could be doing far worse.

And that 10 year old kid who stays in school, and maybe gets a doctorate in applied physics and creates cold fusion using just an orange, a bottle cap, and some Silly Putty would be helping the President, but it would not be Obama. I hope you can figure out what that means.

Steve

[cobra de capell]

Or, one of the kids could listen to Obama and end up like both VRM and Obama - blowing smoke up anyone's butt all day long.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

Or, one of the kids could listen to Obama and end up like both VRM and Obama - blowing smoke up anyone's butt all day long.

I don't like a lot of the policies that Obama is enacting, I also didn't like a lot of the policies that Bush or Cliinton enacted. However, I do know that we have a lot of problems in this country and I also know that they are not going to be fixed by people who do nothing but post propaganda all day. You can't even correctly quote bills in Congress that are published, and you think you have a clue about what a speech is going to say that is not published?

Your hat is in the mail.

Steve

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Now that is really a disgraceful shame. What does that tell a kid about respect for the Office of the President and their country?

It is sad that this blind bias on the part of these people could undermine true American values in their children.

Respect for any office must be earned. This anti-American, subversive Marxist, CLOWN Obama has done nothing to earn respect and is worthy of only total disrespect. He is inept, disorganized, inexperienced, and a pawn of unknown influence. His only shred of a plan is to throw out long proven working systems in favor of Utopian dreams of a "better" world. None of the 'replacement systems have ever worked before and many have never been tried before. And every single "plan" this group of incompetents have claimed to have, has been a lie. They are and have been knee jerking since day one and continue to do so. The knee jerk policies they have so far instituted have PROVED to be dogsh!t or are looking very doggish at this time. They DO NOT know where they are going OR how to get there. Which is a good thing as America is obviously not where they are going. Do we needs some fixes? YES! Do we need to throw out American history for silly dreams? NO! EVERYTHING he has done so far would be laughable if it were not so dangerous. But certainly not worthy of ANY respect. He has A SINGLE ATTRIBUTE, personal charm. That is it. And he misuses and overuses that single talent because he has no other.
Respect? He is a sad, bad, and dangerous JOKE!

[SPF2245]

VRM, I completely agree...if the message ALONE was stay in school, great, have at Mr. President (regardless of who that person is thus building respect for the position of President). The problem lies in the approach, presentation, attached lesson plan and lack of consideration Obama used in his dealings with this issue. This violates many school policies of alerting parents to material presented to children and I agree many parents DO blindly accept what is presented, I'm not one of them and don't care to accept that arguement as acceptable with my kids. I don't need my children answering questions for the President at age 6, I need them to follow the directions of a teacher and me. Motivation is fine, specific directions for material to be taught by a politician...don't think so.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Dan40

Respect for any office must be earned.

I'll call you wrong on that one. As an American, respect for the Office of the President is a given. That was earned in 1776.

The individuals who serve...they, now, must earn their own respect.

The former trumps the latter.

I won't address the rest of your rant, because you are entitled to your own opinions.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by computerworks

I'll call you wrong on that one. As an American, respect for the Office of the President is a given. That was earned in 1776.

The individuals who serve...they, now, must earn their own respect.

The former trumps the latter.

I won't address the rest of your rant, because you are entitled to your own opinions.

OH BS. Is this a monarchy or dictatorship? The office of the President has never been nor ever intended to be a position above any other branch.

Have you ever sped while driving? OH SHAME ON YOU for DISRESPECTING the laws "ordained" by the presidency.

What's the point of having impeachment as an option? I think Davis would agree his impeachment was fairly disrespectful.

How, by not participating in a potentially devastating live broadcast (remember when the "Education Astronaut" live broadcast of Challenger) is this even remotely "disrespectful?"

You're right, you're no liberal, with comments like "I won't address", straight out of the Marxist Manifesto. I shouldn't insult liberalism in that way.

[computerworks]

...you better quit while you're ahead.

[J. T. Toad]

Originally Posted by VRM

I don't like a lot of the policies that Obama is enacting, I also didn't like a lot of the policies that Bush or Cliinton enacted. However, I do know that we have a lot of problems in this country and I also know that they are not going to be fixed by people who do nothing but post propaganda all day. You can't even correctly quote bills in Congress that are published, and you think you have a clue about what a speech is going to say that is not published?

Your hat is in the mail.

Steve

And yet you are willing to let the president, known for propaganda techniques, speak live with children across the nation?

This isn't some PSA. I must ask, if you are so familiar with the expectations of state standards and the implementation of "No Child Left Behind" (authored by Kennedy), how does a 45 minute civics lesson fit into Reading, writing, and arithmetic, in the K-6 realm?

[J. T. Toad]

What's good for the goose.... isn't good for the gander with Democrats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5288013.shtml

"Previous presidents have given national speeches in schools. In October 1991, President George H.W. Bush gave a nationally televised speech to students at Alice Deal Junior High School in the District, encouraging them to study hard and avoid drugs. At the time, House Democrats criticized the speech for having political motivations. "