Ah...The 'Crisis' Continues.......

[Roscoe]

Obama May Need Sense of Crisis to Revive Health-Care Overhaul

By Julianna Goldman and Nicholas Johnston

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama returns to Washington next week in search of one thing that can revive his health-care overhaul: a sense of crisis.

Facing polls showing a drop in his approval, diminished support from independents, factions within his Democratic Party and a united Republican opposition, Obama must recapture the sense of urgency that led to passage of the economic rescue package in February, analysts said.

“At the moment, except for the people without insurance, we’re not in a health-care crisis,” said Stephen Wayne, a professor of government at Georgetown University in Washington. “You do need a crisis to generate movement in Congress and to help build a consensus.”

Finish your assignment:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=a5HawfX.Mxt8#

[trularin]

Either a crisis or diversion.

[427sharpe]

I love the leftist logic:
You don't have a crisis, so create one to pass legislation you cannot afford and do not need to fix a crisis you do not have.
Morons struggling to become imbeciles.

[cobra de capell]

So, on the 9th he may push health care or health insurance reform as a 'crisis' in the same way he pushed for the stimulus package. That's insane.

[Excaliber]

At the moment, except for the people without insurance, we’re not in a health-care crisis

So we should wait until it becomes a crisis that is abundantly clear for all to see, or take preventative measures BEFORE it becomes a full blown crisis? Not to mention that part about "except for the people without insurance". It's a crisis for them, right now. I suspect Stephen Waynes comment is out of context.

[Maricopa]

If you're so concerned then you pay for their insurance Ernie, I already have a family to buy for.

The only 'crisis' is the rising cost, and gov't is one of the main drivers of that in the first place.

[Excaliber]

A good place to start would be to increase the competition for health care insurance by allowing an interstate program to proceed. Currently many states give you a list of programs to choose from, if the program you want is not on the list, you can't get it.

That should lower the cost even for you, Maricopa. That way it won't hurt so much for you to pony up those saved dollars to support a public option!

[Maricopa]

I've been buying my own insurance for 15 years (self-employed) so I have a pretty good idea of the good and bad. There is lots of room for improvement, including tort reform, which the left doesn't seem at all interested in.

I don't want a public option. Insurance is not in the purview of the federal (or state) gov't and I don't want to 'pony up' anything for more made up 'rights'. Rights are things that other people don't have to supply you.

[Excaliber]

Speaking of tort reform,,,

Why hasn't that issue come more to the forefront? Not just now, it's been talked about for years, through different Administrations. And yet, we got nothing. Whats up with that?

Medicare/Medicaid is almost kind a like a Government health insurance plan, I think.

[Maricopa]

A: Millions and millions in lobby money.

B: It's broke, just like the new system would be in a few years.

[392cobra]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Speaking of tort reform,,,

Why hasn't that issue come more to the forefront? Not just now, it's been talked about for years, through different Administrations. And yet, we got nothing. Whats up with that?

Because The Dims want the Trail Lawyers money.....Wake up.

Why isn't tort reform in the health care proposals?
According to former Vermont governor and DNC Chairman Howard Dean, it's because of trial lawyers.

On Tuesday, Dean appeared at a town hall meeting on health care reform in Reston, Va., with Virginia Rep. James Moran (D). A constituent asked why tort reform was not included in the current health care proposals in Congress. Here's what Dean said in response:

"This is the answer from a doctor and a politician. Here's why tort reform is not in the bill. When you go to pass a really enormous bill like that, the more stuff you put in it, the more enemies you make, right? And the reason that tort reform is not in the bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everyone else they were taking on. And that is the plain and simple truth."



Here is the C-Span video of it.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/20...Reston+VA.aspx

[Excaliber]

Well I can understand not wanting to take on the trial lawyers by involving that issue with health care reform. Understanding that must be a hugely powerful group.

I don't see it as a Dem or Repub issue though. It's been an idea "shot down" for a long time, by both camps.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Speaking of tort reform,,,

Why hasn't that issue come more to the forefront? Not just now, it's been talked about for years, through different Administrations. And yet, we got nothing. Whats up with that?

Medicare/Medicaid is almost kind a like a Government health insurance plan, I think.

As you are WELL aware. Most politicians are lawyers. Tort reform would be slitting their own bellies.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[an idea to be discussed at length later]

Medicare is health care, the VA is health care. Medicaid is WELFARE used to pay medical bills. All 3 ARE bankrupt. All 3 cost many, many times their original estimates. All 3 are unsustainable as presently funded and/or structured.
Are they the Government health insurance plans you are applauding? And how is that logical?
One other FACT,
Medicare, VA, and Medicaid CANNOT exist, standing alone. They presently provide good health care, ONLY, because they are parasites on the PRIVATE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Take away the support of the, FOR PROFIT, private health care system and all 3 would collapse.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by 392cobra

Because The Dims want the Trail Lawyers money.....Wake up.

Why isn't tort reform in the health care proposals?
According to former Vermont governor and DNC Chairman Howard Dean, it's because of trial lawyers.

On Tuesday, Dean appeared at a town hall meeting on health care reform in Reston, Va., with Virginia Rep. James Moran (D). A constituent asked why tort reform was not included in the current health care proposals in Congress. Here's what Dean said in response:

"This is the answer from a doctor and a politician. Here's why tort reform is not in the bill. When you go to pass a really enormous bill like that, the more stuff you put in it, the more enemies you make, right? And the reason that tort reform is not in the bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everyone else they were taking on. And that is the plain and simple truth."



Here is the C-Span video of it.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/20...Reston+VA.aspx

So Howard Dean wants to keep the bill SMALL, all 1000PLUS pages of it?
What a complete azzhole answer!

[Excaliber]

Dan, I'm not applauding or discounting Medicare or Medicaid, I don't have anything to do with either one. I'm simply noting they are a Federal Health plan that is to easy to take advantage of. Throwing them out is not a viable solution, fixing them is the only realistic alternative. But how? A question I'd like to see addressed in regards to Health Care reform.

[cobra de capell]

Yes, fix them first - you are starting to get the picture.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Dan, I'm not applauding or discounting Medicare or Medicaid, I don't have anything to do with either one. I'm simply noting they are a Federal Health plan that is to easy to take advantage of. Throwing them out is not a viable solution, fixing them is the only realistic alternative. But how? A question I'd like to see addressed in regards to Health Care reform.

First, health care "reform" as viewed by liberals is a misnomer. Liberals want to scrap a working system and replace it with a Utopian system that cannot and will not work. And as yet they don't even know what that system is. That is not reform, that is idiotic nonsense.
IDENTIFY the major problems and FIX them whatever they are. Why has that absolutely BASIC step NOT been done in over 20 years of "PSEUDO CRISIS"???

Second, TORT REFORM! The most obvious and costliest change that no one will touch. Eliminate the Doctors NEED to carry multi-hundreds of thousands of malpractice insurance and they could significantly reduce their fees AND realize a greater net income. Eliminate the malpractice scare and premiums and numerous CYA tests would no longer be done. Lower fees, fewer tests means lower health insurance costs. The Government wants to be involved? I've said it before, establish the National Malpractice Bureau. Want to file a suit, file it against the Gov. Bureau. Win the suit, the Government writes you a check. Loose it and your lawyer writes the Gov. a check. [the plaintiff pays the lawyer]

Kindly get it through your head that Medicaid is WELFARE. Only Medicare is health insurance. Medicare works well, I'm on it, treatment is fine, costs are far below what costs were as an under 65 patient. For instance, an in patient hospital stay under 60 days costs only $1068 TOTAL for the Medicare beneficiary. My wife recently did an 18 day stay in the hospital, cost $1068. But you have to acknowledge that Medicare is propped up by the Trillions of dollars of private, for profit, health care already existing. Medicare utilizes that in place system. Dismantle that for profit system [and that IS the liberals intent] and Medicare crashes overnight. The total bill for the wife's stay was above $80,000. We paid $1068. Medicare paid $27,000.00. $52000.00, the hospital "adjusted" away into the ether. And Medicare ONLY paid that much because Barb developed complications and Medicare pays more for complications.

Another example, an eye clinic does cataract surgery for about $4800. for patients under 65 [non-Medicare]. They ALSO do the same surgery on Medicare patients. The Medicare APPROVED amount for that procedure is $700.00. The clinic CANNOT collect another cent from the Medicare beneficiary. Well if they are operating on 60 patients in a certain time period and 8 are on Medicare, the clinic takes in $255,200.00 in whatever the time period was. Change that to Government health with pay like Medicare and the take is $42,000.00 for the same period. Those numbers mean the clinic would NEVER have been built. The private, for profit, system allowed that clinic to be built. No one would be interested in building it for Medicare or Government reimbursement rates. Which means under Gov. Health, the Gov. would have to build and staff that clinic and so goes your savings, long long and far away, never to be seen or thought of ever again. Medicare works terrifically, but only because it is a boil on the ass of the best medical care system on the plant.

[427sharpe]

Here's a novel idea...how 'bout we all just support ourselves! Get a job, pay our own bills, buy our own food, and fund our own lives! And if we don't have enough money, we save until we do or do without! I know it's a radical concept in our Great Society, but it seemed to work rather well fro about 170 years!

[Scott S]

Ex...

If Medicare is good why does my my 75 year old mother pay $310 a month out of pocket to cover what Medicare won't?

As a small business employer I have pretty much had it with shilling insurance for anybody! Being the middleman for insurance companies sucks, I am a fantastic logger, let me do what I do best and find a way to get coverage for anybody who WANTS it.

My plan is simple, a 3% payroll deduction for everybody, no income ceiling...

A *copay for every medical procedure of 10% of your bodywieght, double if you smoke. No exceptions, if you got skin you got to put some of it in the game. To get care beyond a bandaid or Kotex for any injury you gotta double triple prove you are a legal US citizen.

*children excluded..

Any questions?

Scott S

[Excaliber]

Well at least it's a plan Scott!

...I have no idea why your Momma has to pay $300 a month, sounds outrageous to me. I think we should start billing 427sharpe for some of that!