Latest Ct Emissions Requirements

[RENEW1]

After having sold my ERA FIA a few years ago, I just ordered a 427 Cobra from ERA. In checking DMV Composite vehicle site got a big surprise. All composites registered in 2007 must have an engine which will meet 1980 emissions requirements. Needless to say I wasn't happy!! Talked to one of the supervisors at the emissions branch of DMV and he said that is correct. The specs are 220 HC and 1.3% CO. I told him I doubt that any big block Cobra could meet the requirement. His answer was don't blame us or DMV, the legislature made the changes. Another example of rediculous laws effecting the kit car market. He did say however, that the requirements might be revised in 2007 but not by much. It is obvious that there are some in Ct that want to get composites off the road. Guys we need to watch this kind of thing as it could effect those that were built before 2007 at some time in the future.

Stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MAGS427]

Hi Renew,

I just ordered my 427 with ERA in November. Stumbled across this registration mess last night. I have a deposit with Joe Lapine on a 428.
Where are you leaning as far as an engine now?

[JustOne]

I'm just curious..... Can you borrow an alky carb and run it on Alcohol to pass emissions?

Justin

[Don]

Check the following Thread for additional info on CT Emissions, Inspection and Registrations.

Connecticut: Registration, Inspection & Emissions

Thanks for the Emissions update. I had been asking the CT Emissions staff for the new standards since the 2nd quarter of 2006. The last follow-up was sent on November 11th, did not receive a reply.

From: PublicRelations@ctemissions.com
Subject: Thank you for contacting the Connecticut Emissions Program with your concern. We will re
Date: November 11, 2006 2:34:06 PM EST

Reply-To: PublicRelations@ctemissions.com

Thank you for contacting the Connecticut Emissions Program with your concern. We will respond to your e-mail shortly. If you need immediate assistance please call our hotline at 1-888-828-8399. Thank you for contacting the Connecticut Emissions Program.

I will send another follow-up asking for confirmation of the January 2007 emissions standards. Could be wrong, but my understanding is the CT Emissions staff set the actual numbers based upon the authority granted to them by the Legislature, or the Legislature just approves whatever CT Emissions recommends.

[RENEW1]

MAGS427 I'm very much concerned about engine choice or if I should cancel my order. Talked to Pete at ERA and he says "not to worry" but I do. The other part of the change in 2007 is you need to get emissions checked as part of the registration process . That means, the way I read it, is you will trailer to Weathersfield and then trailer again to emissions station until you pass or get a waiver. Talk about possible frustration!!! My build won't start until around March next year. Up to that time I believe I can cancel.I really don't want to, but at 66 years old I've had it with the state fiddiling with composite vehicle requirements. My first Cobra was a breeze compared with what I think I will face to register the new one. I'm not going to spend any money on engine build until I find out what happens in the legislature.

[Don]

While my experience with the CT registration process is now over 6 years old, I obtained the Emissions certification, PASS, before going to Wethersfield. At the time, the CT DMV Inspector checked all the paperwork before starting any inspection.

Also, the Anti-Theft unit checked the paperwork for their approval to obtain the registration. I do not know whether they did or did not look at emissions paperwork.

Either way, it is a two step trailering process as Temp plates cannot be issued for a Composite.

Suggest you might want to verify, clarify, etc any Exempt emissions procedures prior to selecting this approach. The exemption process is regulated by Emissions, not DMV

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

I hear MA. is much easier to register. What would it take, maybe just renting an apt in Springfield and then getting it registered in MA? Any ideas and/or comments? I've built a 428 FE and my car won't be ready for the DMV until spring. Under NO circumstance will I revise or change my engine.

[Commodore]

Mags427,
Spend some more time with Joe Lapine. If anyone can build a 'clean' FE 428 it would be Joe. ERA wouldn't recommend him if he didn't have a trick or two up his sleeve. He did my FE 427 last year (it would never pass the new regs) but I've beaten the '07 ruling. Not even a drop of oil has dripped from the beast. Keep us posted as to what he thinks can be done to get you through the emissions ordeal. Good luck.
RB

[Don]

Regarding MA residence, might want to consider the insurance disclosure, garaging in one state but titled/registered in another state. Might be a reason to deny a claim unless the garage location is disclosed to the insurance company etc., etc.

Also, the city/town property tax would be paid to MA not CT, but primarily garaged in CT.

[Cobrabill]

I believe that all you need to establish residency in a state is an address & a utility bill.

I left Ct.20 years ago in October.And at least once a week i have that decision re-affirmed.

[MAGS427]

Renew1

Sorry to hear that you may be scrapping your order, this being my first and probably my last i am willing to keep fighting. My Dad owns a garage so i'll talk to him about what all this means and my chances on passing with the
428. I went with ERA for the reason of getting a car very close to the original one so i new i wanted a 427 or a 428 to go in it. I know my dad has tinkered with alot of old English cars, back in the late 80's,getting them to pass by retarding the spark and other stuff. I remember him adjusting stuff in the old emmission station's parking lot cause he would have never made it there with the car set to pass. Regarding trailoring: He has a repair plate so i was thinking about using that to get to an emmission station. Not sure how it all works now since they scrapped the branches and gave testing to various repair shops in our towns?? Are you saying that the emission testing has to be done during the inspection in Weathersfield?

I have not talked to Peter P yet but i imagine that i will get the same response you did. Not to worry! Can you imagine dropping 60k and not being able to drive it?

Are you going with one of his painters? Which one?

Keep Fighting

[MAGS427]

Commadore

I am definately going to talk to Joe before the build. Glad to hear that your engine is so far trouble free. Joe definately knows his stuff and he truly opened up once i showed up with the deposit.

Is your 427 a center oiler and if so a marine block?

Reason being he had offered for the same $$ to build me a 427CO, but he says " He thinks it is a marine block" and he had to use two cylinder sleeves. I was hesitant to go with it and went with the 428 which is a service block. The 427 was going to have extra work on the heads so it was very tempting.

Thanks

[Cobrabill]

I think the Cobra community in Ct should go in together on a Alcohol conversion kit.Carb,pump,fuel line & maybe a small Fuel Cell.Who-ever needs it, borrows it and returns it after they've passed emissions.

The odds of getting ANY FE to pass 1980 specs are VERY slim.

[SJK2]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

I think the Cobra community in Ct should go in together on a Alcohol conversion kit.Carb,pump,fuel line & maybe a small Fuel Cell.Who-ever needs it, borrows it and returns it after they've passed emissions.

The odds of getting ANY FE to pass 1980 specs are VERY slim.

I think we would be better served getting a grassroots attempt at getting the SEMA bill intro-ed and passed as other states have done.......

http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome...MAorg/HomePage

http://www.semasan.com/images/CustomRods.pdf

CT. Contact:
http://www.cga.ct.gov/hdo/HDO093.asp

And dont forget the ff5 boys ERA & Backdrafts lots of sales here in this state.

http://www.ffcobra.com/cgi-bin/ultim...1997/p/1.html?

[Bob In Ct]

Are we saying that any big block car being produced by ERA or Backdraft for a Connecticut customer has no chance of passing emissions? Why are the BB engines more apt to flunk than are the SB cars? How far from 220 ppm HC and 1.3% CO are these engines? What are typical test values?

Bob

[Cobrabill]

SJK2-if your idea came to pass,it would be a good thing.Good things NEVER happen in the state of Ct.

[Don]

Regarding the SEMA bill, anyone aware of a State Senator or Representative , active, retired, out of office, that owns a Composite ?

Might be the place to start for sponsoring the Bill

[Don]

Rather than posting twice will update the following Thread regarding any changes I am made aware of on 2007 Emissions for Composites. As of this morning, DEP Emissions has not responded to the DMV inquries, copies of e-mails in the posting;

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/show...015#post695015

[SJK2]

Thanks Don...
Also regarding your previous question:

"Regarding the SEMA bill, anyone aware of a State Senator or Representative , active, retired, out of office, that owns a Composite "

I don't know any but i did Email the Ct. Legislator

[Clark Creswell]

The car has been registered in Ct since 2001, (guess because of all the problems of getting Agbar up and running) I received notice last year (2006) that emissions testing was in my future . Engine is a very healthy std. bore 427 SO Single 780 cfm holley HP. No way am I going to pass with the new specs . First of all getting the computor to recogonize the motor was impossible, so they bypassed the system The premise was to get it to meet spec at the criteria for 2006 vehicles, off idle reading for pollutants @ 3000 rpm and then at curb idle 1000 rpm. The tests were run three times each time the car was well within specs at 3000 rpm , But coming down to curb this is where the CO went out each time (not huge amount but out). Next step; call in the top guys from Wethersfield who deal with composite emissions issues. Scheduled a date to meet at Test Site. They arrived promptly at the appointed time two very unassuming gentlemen yet very knowledgable. They reviewed the test data verifyed that the motor was a FE and wrote a 2-year Exemption. Which in 2008 I will see how the process has changed (they both felt the process would be better with the input and the knowledge base they were developing. Hope this sooths some frayed nerves