New Camaro Launched

CobraEd · #1 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 11:00 AM

Production begins Feb of next year. Looks physically BIG. Certainly not like the 2,700 lb 67 Camaro. Wonder why so big. The original concept was a nimble pony car to compete with the 64 mustang. This is huge. Too bad.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...s/4274421.html

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Jamo · #2 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 11:26 AM

Just in time for $5 gas...

mr bruce · #3 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 12:06 PM

They have unbelievable pent up demand waiting on the new Camaro, most Camaro fans HATE Fords. And don't forget all the Chevy cats that jumped ship to Mustang when the Camaro went on sabaticle. $5 buck gas? maybe, but I bought it at $3.68 in Akron Ohio yesterday. if you used a Mastercard they were selling it at $3.50. Figure that out?

CobraEd · #4 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 12:20 PM

In the DC suberbs here in Fairfax it runs $4.07, But in the next town, Manassas you can get it for $3.90. Hmmmmm.

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bulletbrown · #5 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 12:28 PM

The new Camaro is the exact size of the present Mustang, we have a photo overlay here at the dealership. It will have a wider stance and long wheel base. ii2.3 inch wheelbase and 189.6 inchs overall length. As for the weight it has Anti-lock brakes, front and rear crush zones, frt. and side air bags remote door locks and Stabilitrack std. and a 6speed trans . Also has a Independent rear suspension and Brembo brakes. It will out drive , out stop , out handle the 1967 Camaro .I sold alot of the original Camaro's and they rode poor , handled worse, and were not much to write home about.

jbuchert · #6 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletbrown

The new Camaro is the exact size of the present Mustang, we have a photo overlay here at the dealership. It will have a wider stance and long wheel base. ii2.3 inch wheelbase and 189.6 inchs overall length. As for the weight it has Anti-lock brakes, front and rear crush zones, frt. and side air bags remote door locks and Stabilitrack std. and a 6speed trans . Also has a Independent rear suspension and Brembo brakes. It will out drive , out stop , out handle the 1967 Camaro .I sold alot of the original Camaro's and they rode poor , handled worse, and were not much to write home about.

Very true, other than the wider stance they are within 1/2" in every exterior demension.. they also weigh near identicle.

As for performance the 2010 Camaro is within three tenths of the Mighty 540HP Shelby Mustang in the 1/4 with 30% less engine parts, old push rod technology and no intercooled/supercharged boost.

The Challenger is the largest/heaviest of all three by a good amount.

Don · #7 (**permalink**) 06-03-2009, 05:54 AM

For all three, Mustang , Camaro & Challenger, would be interesting to view their Marketing plan for the intended purchaser( s ) and the profiles of the actual purchaser, i.e., those that actually experienced the Muscle car era or etc., etc.,

bran3b · #8 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 12:33 PM

gas prices be damned, I NEED one of those!!!

CobraEd · #9 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 12:50 PM

The new Mustang is also huge. Forget the sporty lines. They are decieving. Park it side by side with a full sized sedan and they are dimensionaly the same. So sad!

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computerworks · #10 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraEd

The new Mustang is also huge. Forget the sporty lines. They are decieving. Park it side by side with a full sized sedan and they are dimensionaly the same.

I found this image remarkable... it shows the scale of the new car compared to a vintage one. Now, I realized the big wheels on the new GT-H makes it look more stout...but it really dwarfs the '66 profile.

BossCER · #11 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by computerworks

I found this image remarkable... it shows the scale of the new car compared to a vintage one. Now, I realized the big wheels on the new GT-H makes it look more stout...but it really dwarfs the '66 profile.

Ron,
I agree. The size difference is remarkable, but I think the camera angle is really playing it up as well.

Bill, I'm w/ you on the cheesy looking guage cluster

I'm also not crazy about all the plastic cladding in the engine compartment of this and most new cars.

That said, overall I love the car and wish GM luck w/ it. They could use a break at the moment.

clayfoushee · #12 (**permalink**) 07-24-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BossCER

Ron,
I agree. The size difference is remarkable, but I think the camera angle is really playing it up as well.

Bill, I'm w/ you on the cheesy looking guage cluster

I'm also not crazy about all the plastic cladding in the engine compartment of this and most new cars.

That said, overall I love the car and wish GM luck w/ it. They could use a break at the moment.

The "cheesy looking guage (sic) cluster" is directly out of the 69 styling book (69 and 10 gauge clusters pictured below). Overall I like the look of the car, and its weight is almost identical to the latest Mustang.

Jamo · #13 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 12:49 PM

Don't get me wrong, I like it and the new Challenger. Just hope with all the moves to get rid of gas suckers, they won't be short-timers. The Challenger went through that the first time.

RedBarchetta · #14 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:09 PM

Coming from a long time Gen 1 and Gen 2 Camaro owner and fan, I'm deeply disappointed in the final product. And I think with gas prices the way they're going you will see a lot sit on the showroom floors once the Ooh-Aah factor wears off. My 16 year old still wants one desperately and he graduates from HS in '10. I told him that if earned either an academic or athletic scholarship that I'd buy him one, as he'll be saving me more money from the University.

-Dean

CobraEd · #15 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:12 PM

My son got a full ride to Virginia Tech playing football, . . . he was Left Guard on the O-Line, so I got him an 03 Cobra Mustang supercharged from the factory. This was back in 03. My two older daughters were pissed. They never got a car. Oh well, we had to PAY for their college education.

When my wife and I had talked about getting him a car if he got a scholarship, she had a Corolla or something equivolent in mind. My son is a big car nut and has driven my Cobra with me since he was 15 years old with his learners permit. He loves fast cars. He had a 68 390 AMX during highschool. If we would have got him a Corolla, he would have lost his mind. Besides he would have looked like "Mr. Incredible" jammed in there.

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Steve Cassani · #16 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:12 PM

Of the four guages shown in the center console one is labeled 'Torque' with measurements in lbs/foot. How would they measure this? If its simply that torque increases with revolutions per minute the 'Torque' guage doesn't measure anything not already indicated by the tachometer; the 'information' it conveys is rpm's, using a different unit of measure.

I suspect marketing has pulled a bait-and-switch. Am I missing something?

CobraEd · #17 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Cassani

Of the four guages shown in the center console one is labeled 'Torque' with measurements in lbs/foot. How would they measure this? If its simply that torque increases with revolutions per minute the 'Torque' guage doesn't measure anything not already indicated by the tachometer; the 'information' it conveys is rpm's, using a different unit of measure.

I suspect marketing has pulled a bait-and-switch. Am I missing something?

Two LED sensors. One on the front of the driveshaft and one at the rear. The amount of deviation front to rear due to twisting force can be measured thru the cars computer.

Uhhhh, . . . . I just made that all up.

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bulletbrown · #18 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:41 PM

The one to watch is the v6 with 300 HP. It gets an EPA of 26 mpg and stories all around GM that they have test mules with this motor SUPERCHARGED with 400HP VVT with fuel management system and are looking to 26 to 28 MPG. Don't underestimate the gear heads at GM they are alive and well.
I had lunch last year with the chief cylinder engineer for GM and he told me the Direct Injection on the V6 will give it outstanding power and gas mileage. A supercharged variant is being tested.

Three Peaks · #19 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 01:56 PM

The press reports I read about the new Camaro says it is only 1" wider and 2" longer than the original Camaros. I still like the look of them and can't wait until they introduce the "Z28" version. Any bets it will come with the new Corvette engine?

Hey, a guy can dream.....

Bob

RedBarchetta · #20 (**permalink**) 07-23-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Peaks

...can't wait until they introduce the "Z28" version. Any bets it will come with the new Corvette engine?

Hey, a guy can dream.....

Bob

I read that the Z-28 is not in the cards and they will use the SS badging for the hipo model.

Maybe they are keeping the Z-28 in their deep back pocket as a special edition with a turbo or something?!?

Again, I'm not completely down on the new look. I just think that from concept to production they managed to change just enough styling queues to make my d*** go limp. As with the new Challenger, the sides of the cars just look a tad tall to me. Either that or I just don't get 21st Century car design.