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Old 04-08-2009, 12:46 PM
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Default $3.75 Million for 1967 Cobra on Ebay

Carroll Shelby's Personal Pick To Be Number One!!

This is the first SC 427 Cobra built!! CSX-3021 was Carroll's personal pick to represent Shelby America and traveled with a GT-40 in the Cobra Caravan across the USA! This is the first of only two gold Cobra's built. This car has 3,800 original one owner miles!! This car is original, except for one repaint. Original, right down to the tires! This is the car that sold in January and is now being made available due to an up and coming investment opportunity. This car is being offered with the original one owner title, as well as original payment book and dealer purchase order. This is the opportunity to own not only the first SC Cobra, but we feel the BEST SC Cobra.

This car is a very RARE opportunity and very serious investment. Please treat this auction accordingly. Time will not be wasted on games and speculation.

If you want the opportunity to own the best, then the time is now!

Please email questions and intent. All funds will be verified. I am representing this car for the investor who purchased it in January but wishes to remain private and has asked me to provide for him the opportunity for this car to be purchased.

My feedback speaks for itself. And this car speaks for itself.

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Didn't this come up a week or so ago ?
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I might be interested, but I'd have to test drive it a few times first.

Seriously, I saw that when it was listed and its a beautiful car. Good luck with finding it a new home.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:13 PM
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I wonder how many miles the new owner put on it before getting buyer's remorse?
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Nuts out...glad I made the change.



Beautiful car. But with that FE, at close to $4mm it's tough to buy a car that leaks oil.

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Beautiful car. -Dean
Agreed, but beautiful enough that you'd paint yours that color if you were in primer trying to decide on which original color?
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Agreed, but beautiful enough that you'd paint yours that color if you were in primer trying to decide on which original color?
No. I'd go with the factory red. I saw this car late last year. He drove to C&C-Irvine from Beverly Hills. All original car with Weber'd FE. See the little spot on the front fender? That's my drool.

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So I have a question then...

If this is the first SC built and it is a 1967, then why do most of the SC Replica's replicate a 1965?

Just curious?

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I don't know the answer with certainty, but this car could have been titled at a much later date than when it was built.
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My Brg Tr3b in the background having to slow down for the cobra is also for sale! Leaks oil as well but will sadly part for slightly less than 3021!!
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The DMV can go by invoice date as well as MSO (not to mention how many cups of coffee the DMV clerk had that morning), Shelby may not have sold this car until '67. The 427 cars production started in late '65 but none (I think) were sold/titled until '66.

Not to mention at that time you probably didn't care what year the DMV assigned.
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The DMV can go by invoice date as well as MSO (not to mention how many cups of coffee the DMV clerk had that morning), Shelby may not have sold this car until '67. The 427 cars production started in late '65 but none (I think) were sold/titled until '66.

Not to mention at that time you probably didn't care what year the DMV assigned.
Actually, at that time, you probably wanted the newest year possible for resale purposes. I betcha the DMV back in the 60's was the kinda like the Wild West. Anything goes.
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Perhaps this car was left unregistered while it traveled around on the Cobra Caravan? As a show piece, it probably only saw track and paddock time until it came back from touring, and only then was it offered for sale.

Just a hunch.

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Very nice!
I was thinking it originally had gold wheels. Not sure though.
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The DMV can go by invoice date as well as MSO (not to mention how many cups of coffee the DMV clerk had that morning), Shelby may not have sold this car until '67. The 427 cars production started in late '65 but none (I think) were sold/titled until '66.

Not to mention at that time you probably didn't care what year the DMV assigned.
This is a very interesting point, as I recall the SC's were created to get rid of race car chassis that were not selling and most, if not all, were sold in 1966 or later. For example, George Harm bought the Richard Smith car sometime in early 1966 and it was registered as a 1966 car by California DMV. At that time (1965/1966/1967) if you had a 1965 Cobra it was a 289. The race cars may have been considered 1965's but I don't know if any were registered as 1965 cars with any dept of motor vehicles since they were race cars, but some may have been. I have wondered where the 1965 designation came from unless it was related to the 3000 serial number vs.
3100 for 1966 and 3200 and 3300 for later cars. There is an advantage to a 1965 designation in that I don't believe it requires a PCV valve so that may be part of it. I am sure somebody on this Forum has the correct information and will share it with everyone. (The **** filter made me use Richard)
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That gold is one heck of a pretty color. Would anyone know the color name and paint code?

I don't know if I would have the guts to use it, but I do like it on that car.
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This is a very interesting point, as I recall the SC's were created to get rid of race car chassis that were not selling and most, if not all, were sold in 1966 or later. For example, George Harm bought the Richard Smith car sometime in early 1966 and it was registered as a 1966 car by California DMV. At that time (1965/1966/1967) if you had a 1965 Cobra it was a 289. The race cars may have been considered 1965's but I don't know if any were registered as 1965 cars with any dept of motor vehicles since they were race cars, but some may have been. I have wondered where the 1965 designation came from unless it was related to the 3000 serial number vs.
3100 for 1966 and 3200 and 3300 for later cars. There is an advantage to a 1965 designation in that I don't believe it requires a PCV valve so that may be part of it. I am sure somebody on this Forum has the correct information and will share it with everyone. (The **** filter made me use Richard)
It seems that having a 1999 year designation had its advantages as well. All Shelby Series 1 cars were model year 1999 regardless of when they were built since they met 1999 emissions and crash standards. That apparently worked out well enough until a customer went and asked a government agency about it...
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This is a very interesting point, as I recall the SC's were created to get rid of race car chassis that were not selling and most, if not all, were sold in 1966 or later. For example, George Harm bought the Richard Smith car sometime in early 1966 and it was registered as a 1966 car by California DMV. At that time (1965/1966/1967) if you had a 1965 Cobra it was a 289. The race cars may have been considered 1965's but I don't know if any were registered as 1965 cars with any dept of motor vehicles since they were race cars, but some may have been. I have wondered where the 1965 designation came from unless it was related to the 3000 serial number vs.
3100 for 1966 and 3200 and 3300 for later cars. There is an advantage to a 1965 designation in that I don't believe it requires a PCV valve so that may be part of it. I am sure somebody on this Forum has the correct information and will share it with everyone. (The **** filter made me use Richard)

Comp cars, SC’s and street cars were not completed and invoiced to dealers or sold in CSX order.
A quick example is CSX3003. It’s the 1st (production) comp car by CSX# but the 7th completed. CSX3004 was the 1st completed.

There were a number of CSX30xx cars completed, invoiced to dealers and sold in 1965. Some sold in the first half of 1965. There are also some CSX31xx street cars sold in 1965. Well ahead of some remaining SC’s
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Comp cars, SC’s and street cars were not completed and invoiced to dealers or sold in CSX order.
A quick example is CSX3003. It’s the 1st (production) comp car by CSX# but the 7th completed. CSX3004 was the 1st completed.

There were a number of CSX30xx cars completed, invoiced to dealers and sold in 1965. Some sold in the first half of 1965. There are also some CSX31xx street cars sold in 1965. Well ahead of some remaining SC’s
Several people in my home town bought Cobra's in the 1965 calendar year yet they were titled as 1966 cars. Apparently the serial number has nothing to do with title date on Cobra's, just the date the car was sold. The first car in our town was delivered in late June or early July and it was a 31xx car titled as a 1966. I understand about the serial numbers not being in order on the last two digits but what about the 2nd digit I.E. 0,1,2,3 did they mean anything other than the series?
Ford production cars were titled by model year and were sold as that model year even if sold in the prior year. Left over production was sold and titled by the year of design, a new 1966 Mustang sold in 1967 was titled as a 1966 Mustang at least in California, and a 1967 Mustang sold in 1966 was titled as a 1967 Mustang.
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Several people in my home town bought Cobra's in the 1965 calendar year yet they were titled as 1966 cars. Apparently the serial number has nothing to do with title date on Cobra's, just the date the car was sold. The first car in our town was delivered in late June or early July and it was a 31xx car titled as a 1966. I understand about the serial numbers not being in order on the last two digits but what about the 2nd digit I.E. 0,1,2,3 did they mean anything other than the series?
The second digit was a 'new' contract series and each series showed production changes. An example would be the elimination of an oil scoop with the 33xx series or the change to round taillights with the 32xx series.

The 31xx series had perhaps the most ‘changes’ within the series. The first eight used comp/SC bodies that remained at AC from the 30xx series. Then 16 or so had wide rear flairs, the next 34 had narrow rear flairs and than back to wide rear flares.

Lower CSX numbers not sold by late 1966 were ‘updated to 1967 models and they received ‘new’ MSOs specifying that they were 1967 models. The footbox tag was updated with 67- preceding the CSX number.
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