OPEC Sucks

[rbray]

In the next few years our Air Force jets will be refueled by French tanker planes.
Imported gas from imported planes to defend oil nations that will turn their backs on us the first chance they get.


Soon we won't need to worry about the price of gas because none of us will have jobs.

[JTD]

Originally Posted by rbray

In the next few years our Air Force jets will be refueled by French tanker planes.
Imported gas from imported planes to defend oil nations that will turn their backs on us the first chance they get.


Soon we won't need to worry about the price of gas because none of us will have jobs.

Maybe next time Boeing will not submit a criminal bid...check your facts.

BTW the planes will be made in the US by Grumman ...remember the F14?

[RedBarchetta]

Originally Posted by JTD

1. It is called capitalism.

2. I would vote for W again in a heart beat...no terrorist attacks here since 2001.

Agree 100%. It's so easy to point the finger (at Bush). Point your finger at something and you have three pointing right back at ya.

[Slojo]

I love these threads, better than Big block vs. Small block!! Just one other item that I don't quite see mentioned although 'Iceberg' touches on it briefly, which is that crude is traded in USD internationally, so as the $$ get's weaker it actually equates to less for the seller. There is so much more at play here than just Oil and Currencies. The US is not in great shape overall (politically, socially, economically, etc), but heck we are much better off than some of these other world economies right now, Just look at Japan, Iraq. These market conditions take time to work themselves through their own process in the market, for example the potential increse of Ethonal from 10% to 20%, E85, and such items that make consumers as well as producers to 'get it together'

[Iceberg]

Originally Posted by JTD

1, It is called capitalism.

2. I would vote for W again in a heart beat...no terrorist attacks here since 2001.

What did Iraq have to do with Terrorism? I am all for pursuing terrorist.. We should be all over Afganistan and Pakistan. There was no Alqueada in Iraq until after we got there.

Do the math: $3 Trillion + 3000 Dead Servicemen + 30,000 wounded Servicemen = $4/gal Gas (it doesn't ad up to me but apparently it does for Exxon) (All in the name of insuring a supply of oil)

In my opinion if anyone should go up for war crime tribunals it should be our President GW Bush, he has butchered more Americans and Iraqies in Bagdad than Sadamm ever did.

We will be paying for this boondoggle for generations to come.

[ToTheMetal]

I have mentioned this company before. This company will help the fuel price problems:



STWA, Inc. and Temple University Announce Results in Testing of Fuel Technology

MORGAN HILL, CA, Mar 12, 2008 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Save The World Air, Inc. ("STWA") (OTCBB: ZERO) today announced significant test results in the development of applications relating to our electronic fuel product and crude oil treatment technology known as Elektra. STWA holds an exclusive worldwide license for the Elektra technology from Temple University of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania ("Temple").

Dr. Rongjia Tao, Temple's principal researcher of the Elektra technology, reported that in recent dynamometer testing of the technology applied on a used diesel automobile, performance improved 20%. Dr. Tao stated, "The test result also indicates that diesel vehicles will increase their fuel mileage quite significantly once they have our electric fuel device installed. If the road test is under the same ideal condition as our lab test, the fuel mileage should be increased by 20%. Of course, since road tests are usually not under ideal conditions, the actual fuel mileage increase may not be as high as 20%. However, we are confident that our electric fuel device will significantly improve the diesel engine efficiency and is applicable to other internal combustion engines as well."

In other testing, our Elektra technology reduced the viscosity of many types of oil, including dirty motor oil and soybean oil, by roughly 30%. Dr. Tao noted, "Currently, manufacturers and processors heat oil to a high temperature in order to reduce its viscosity. In this way, the heating cost alone is reduced from $.12 to $.03 for production of one gallon bio-diesel. In some regions the cost of heating the production in the winter rises so high that some plants are shut down for 2-4 months a year. In addition to energy savings, manufacturers also can avoid un-wanted chemical reactions and corrosion, which can also occur at high temperature." Dr. Tao has reported considerable interest in the application of this technology by oil producers who are now funding Temple for proof of concept projects in the lab and in the field.

Commenting on today's announcement, STWA President and CEO Chuck Blum stated, "The results of Dr. Tao's studies, along with our similar findings dealing specifically with the application of uniform electrical fields (Elektra) to crude oil, gasoline, diesel, ethanol and biodiesel fuel as well as other industrial processes, hold significant promise and benefit to consumers, manufacturers and oil producers alike. Save The World Air, Inc. has been actively engaged in the development of a variety of advanced applications based on this technology and continues to research products that may prove to significantly reduce emissions, improve fuel efficiency, and increase performance."

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[427 S/O]

[quote=ToTheMetal;825038]I have mentioned this company before. This company will help the fuel price problems:


Of course, since road tests are usually not under ideal conditions, the actual fuel mileage increase may not be as high as 20%.

It's always nice to have that out!!!.

[hi-tech cobra]

"We should be all over Afganistan and Pakistan"

That just makes too much sense.

America needs an Apollo style energy program (which we could have done with all the money that has been spent on the Iraqi war). With our ingenuity & resources we could invent a paradigm shift in the energy sector. Instead we power this country on black gooey stuff that burns.

Let's create a new energy model and thumb our noses at the Arabs and Russia (for our children's security)!

We just need someone with enough balls in the White House to get it done. Sadly most baby kissers are in deep with the big oil lobby.

Someone said in this thread that when the oil runs out in the Middle East, they will revert back to what they were 100 years ago. Not true, I've been in Dubai and let me just say, they have more $ than anyone can imagine. They are not resting. UAE and the Saudis are starting to build huge solar PV fields in the desert. Their goal? Continue to export energy.

We think we have a prosperous nation...not even close compared to them. We look like paupers. The money has been redistributed and we are not on the receiving end.

BTW, my KC 482 is shipping out next week...I'm giddy!

[imagine2frolic]

Last night I was watching the History Channlel, and during the second war. America built a 2ft. pipr for oil from Texas to the upper east coast in 4 months. There is so much whining these day you couldn't get a study done in that amoubnt of time.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by JTD

1, It is called capitalism.

2. I would vote for W again in a heart beat...no terrorist attacks here since 2001.

I was a registered Republican my entire life and quit the party this past year because they spend and waste money just like the Democrats. Lump this together with not securing our borders, giving in on a home bailout to people that over bought and were not honest on loan docs, taking away more of our second amendment rights etc... and I can no longer be a Republican. I am a conservative, a Gulf War veteran, a former law enforcement officer and I no longer relate to the party. Lets hope for an alternative in the future because the Democrats are worse.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by JTD

Maybe next time Boeing will not submit a criminal bid...check your facts.

BTW the planes will be made in the US by Grumman ...remember the F14?

Grumman is going to building the AirBus? Is that like the Toyota's that are bult here and they try to pass them as American built but the money still goes back to Japan?

The U.S. military should not be using foriegn equipment period.

[Iceberg]

Originally Posted by SP01715

I was a registered Republican my entire life and quit the party this past year because they spend and waste money just like the Democrats. Lump this together with not securing our borders, giving in on a home bailout to people that over bought and were not honest on loan docs, taking away more of our second amendment rights etc... and I can no longer be a Republican. I am a conservative, a Gulf War veteran, a former law enforcement officer and I no longer relate to the party. Lets hope for an alternative in the future because the Democrats are worse.

No kidding... I was a Young Republican in college, worked on Bush I campaign and did a stint with the CIA. What the current administration has done over the last few years is criminal and is a complete slap in the face to the real Republican Party. What happened to financial conservatism and less government? We spend like lunatics and have more governmental agencies than ever.. A complete waste of money. I believe in a strong military, but I don't subscribe to a war in Iraq to protect the lasting interests of the Bush's family friends in Saudi Arabia. 3000 brave soldiers have lost their lives to support our thirst for Mid-East oil and Osama Bin laden is still on the loose.. That is what we get for leaving the most powerful office in the world to a dim witted, AWOL, drunken, Born Again, not intellectually curious, closed minded buffoon.

[hi-tech cobra]

The Born Again thing is just a play for votes IMO. Just like his appeal to the working class, pick-up driving, flannel shirt crowd. A ploy for votes. He is a silver spoon Ivy leaguer whose biggest ambition was to be the baseball commissioner.

[G.R.]

Originally Posted by SP01715

Grumman is going to building the AirBus? Is that like the Toyota's that are bult here and they try to pass them as American built but the money still goes back to Japan?

The U.S. military should not be using foriegn equipment period.

Do you seriously think that the U.S. military doesn't already use "foriegn equipment"...

I agree with your premise but the reality is when it comes to military hardware there are some nations that develop better equipment than we do here in the U.S. ... all you have to do is take a look at U.S. military history from the Revolution on...just the nature of the beast... someone is going to figure out how to use a bigger, better rock

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by G.R.

Do you seriously think that the U.S. military doesn't already use "foriegn equipment"...

I agree with your premise but the reality is when it comes to military hardware there are some nations that develop better equipment than we do here in the U.S. ... all you have to do is take a look at U.S. military history from the Revolution on...just the nature of the beast... someone is going to figure out how to use a bigger, better rock

I served in the the Army from 89-91 with the 1st Cavalry Division, and I can not think of one foriegn piece of equipment we used. Let's see; Apache, Cobra, OH-58, Bradley, M-16... Yep all made in the U.S. I guess thing's have changed?

[GlynMeek]

Originally Posted by Iceberg

That is what we get for leaving the most powerful office in the world to a dim witted, AWOL, drunken, Born Again, not intellectually curious, closed minded buffoon.

Interesting perspective! I actually knew our esteemed president in Dallas back in the late 80s when he was 'running' the Texas Rangers baseball team (yeah, right, running it into the ground!). At the time, his father (who I respected immensely) was President, and my first thought on meeting him for the first time was "George, clean your damn shoes, your father's the President", and my second was "whoa...this guy is REALLY stupid"!

Actually, he was a really nice guy to go with for a beer, but I have to admit that much as he comes across on the TV as really stupid, in real life, he is MUCH dumber than on TV!

[Slojo]

The US and Israeli militaries are by far the best technology wise. That is just a plain fact. The US will continue to be on the cutting edge of innovation for the military, but I don't think that is what we really need to worry about. It is the overall state of the economy and the massive deficits and trade imbalances that currently exist as they simple cannot go on forever. True Bush II really blew it and his father knows it and has distanced himself from it, that is why Bush I never went into Iraq in the first place. I will admit that although I did not vote for either of the Bush's in any election I did support both when it was time to put the boots on the ground. The difference though is that the second time around when we went into Iraq, it was a mistake. THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So instead of Bush realizing that a mistake was made and moving to admit it and keep the world, and the American people, commited to his administration, he basically keeps up with the same ole, same ole rhetoric. The man is must just be dumb or the American public dumber. I really don't know and I really don't care. I just want the next legally elected Pres. to restore some of America's honor in this world and start fixing some of these homegrown problems. Amen!

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by JTD

Maybe next time Boeing will not submit a criminal bid...check your facts.

BTW the planes will be made in the US by Grumman ...remember the F14?

I am listening to a Congressman on the radio (Savage) right now and he said the tanker will be built in Europe at a cost of 19,000 U.S jobs. Said there was "bid rigging" involved with this deal as there was in the helicopter deal for Marine 1.

No mention of Grumman?

[Iceberg]

Originally Posted by Slojo

The US and Israeli militaries are by far the best technology wise. That is just a plain fact. The US will continue to be on the cutting edge of innovation for the military, but I don't think that is what we really need to worry about. It is the overall state of the economy and the massive deficits and trade imbalances that currently exist as they simple cannot go on forever. True Bush II really blew it and his father knows it and has distanced himself from it, that is why Bush I never went into Iraq in the first place. I will admit that although I did not vote for either of the Bush's in any election I did support both when it was time to put the boots on the ground. The difference though is that the second time around when we went into Iraq, it was a mistake. THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So instead of Bush realizing that a mistake was made and moving to admit it and keep the world, and the American people, commited to his administration, he basically keeps up with the same ole, same ole rhetoric. The man is must just be dumb or the American public dumber. I really don't know and I really don't care. I just want the next legally elected Pres. to restore some of America's honor in this world and start fixing some of these homegrown problems. Amen!

Amen brother... GlyneMeek, thank you for your insight... They even say that upper/middle class men might be the swing vote minority that decides the next election. Who would have thunk it... God Bless America.

[G.R.]

Originally Posted by SP01715

I served in the the Army from 89-91 with the 1st Cavalry Division, and I can not think of one foriegn piece of equipment we used. Let's see; Apache, Cobra, OH-58, Bradley, M-16... Yep all made in the U.S. I guess thing's have changed?

Some but not all... That helicopter you flew in, or the Abrams, or that truck or humvee was more than likely painted with AKZO Nobel military paint, a Netherlands supplier. If you were issued a JLIST suit or coveralls for chemical protection they were designed by Blucher GMBH, a German Co., under licesnc to Tex-Shield. If you had a contact with the Chem warfare guys the hand held optic readers they used were more than likely from Ahura Scientific, a Japanese company. And a lot of the military's special forces use small arms from Israel, Galil's, Belgium, various FN designed automatic weapons, and the list goes on. Oh yeah the M-16 is being fazed out for a better, lighter more effective combat weapon.

Not trying to start a fight by any means