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05-20-2008, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Puyallup Wa.,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance Cobra #1628, Coast Performance Stroker 427W Ford 520HP/535FT.TQ, Blue with white stripes
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WSCB recap (Blown Engine)
Well we made it back from the WSCB in one piece and had a great time. The bad news is that while finishing my last lap of my third track time my engine grenaded! It was a very bad sound and it appears one or more of my rods broke and a probabable cracked block. On the bright side, I had the time of my life turning some fast laps with GT 40's, Coupes, and Roadsters. It was amazing. I have already talked with my engine builder and now I have to decide if I am going to do another 460 or do a stroker 521. I will have a stronger bottom end with H-beam rods this time and will have between 550 and 580HP.
Jake
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05-20-2008, 04:15 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Los Angeles,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Hurricane Motorsports, 427w
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Jake, sorry to hear about the blown engine. I was at WSCB track side and cringed when I saw you coasting to the shoulder with that tell-tale blue smoke and trail of oil. We were just hoping you trailered your car there!
Best of luck and hope to see you next year at whatever the sucessor event is.
Matt
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05-20-2008, 04:30 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Fresno,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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However, you broke it magnificiently! And what better time (story-wise) to have it launch. 
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05-20-2008, 04:54 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Puyallup Wa.,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance Cobra #1628, Coast Performance Stroker 427W Ford 520HP/535FT.TQ, Blue with white stripes
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Good point Jamo. What could be better than doing it in front of a large crowd at what looks like the last bash for a while. I have to mention that I don't have much to compare the bash with as this was our first one. However Duane and the crew did an amazing job organizing this event. I am very sad to hear that it has run its course. On a side note, it was fun running with you in the (BLUE) group Jamo.
Jake
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05-20-2008, 05:18 PM
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Location: Orange County,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF Brock Coupe #88, Keith Craft 427w
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Jake,
Hope things go well with the repair/replacement of the engine. Made me sick to see it happen, but glad you were able to get the car stopped OK.
Doug
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05-20-2008, 05:25 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Covington,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance # 532, 466 BB, 560HP
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Not trying to take advantage of your situation, but I have a brand new 550HP, 460 crate motor sitting in my garage if you are interested.
My daughter and her husband are buying a house, so I would like to sell it to add a little more to their down payment.
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05-20-2008, 05:32 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Renton,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR 6322
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Here's what you need:
Blown 429 Boss
Estimated 850+ hp
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'89 Saleen #0366 - My donor for FFR 6322.
If things seem really under control, you're not going fast enough. -Mario Andretti
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05-20-2008, 05:42 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Puyallup Wa.,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance Cobra #1628, Coast Performance Stroker 427W Ford 520HP/535FT.TQ, Blue with white stripes
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Silverback, I may be interested if the price is right. Give me a call at 253-208-0905.
Thanks, Jake
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05-20-2008, 06:05 PM
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Jake
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. That explains why I didn't see your car Sat. night at the show. Good luck getting your car back on the road quickly. We have such a short cruisin' season.
Jim
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05-20-2008, 06:42 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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It only hurts when you look. 
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05-20-2008, 06:52 PM
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Rpm's
Hi Jake,
Sounds like i missed a good time this year.
The stroked big blocks are hard on bearings as the piston speed is way up there. If you like your RPM's then I would stay with as short a stroke as possible; 3.85 " for the 460. Another idea is to put a 429 crank in it for less stress at high RPM's, add billit rods also.
Good luck,
Perry.
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05-20-2008, 06:58 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Gilroy,
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Cobra Make, Engine: West Coast Cobra w/ Centrifugally Blown Big Block, Pickles, Onions, on a Sesame Seed Bun.
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460ford.com
If you don't know about this resource already, take a look at 460ford.com :: Index. I'm ByronRACE on there as well, and there's a lot of pro builders on there as well as a lot of very knowledgeable racers.
I've spent several years doing the research and learning about the 385 series. If you'd like someone to bounce ideas against, feel free to call on me. I don't consider myself an expert in anything, but I am well read and have had my nose buried in that forum for the better part of 8 years.
Oh, and I have a couple of pristine production blocks sitting in the garage, and a lot of contacts...
Sorry to hear about the mishap, and really glad it was on a straight. Oiling the tires is no fun, but it's even less fun in a corner.
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05-20-2008, 08:31 PM
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Jake that sucked.
But I am happy to have met you.
You took it like a MAN.
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05-20-2008, 08:40 PM
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Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Duvall,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP286, Shelby 482, Webers, 593HP
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Jake, Sherrie and I were really bummed about the misfortune...could you tell with my ribbing? 
Seriously though, it is a bummer, but I suspect that like all Cobra guys, you were thinking about a next engine all along. I won't tell Kim. Come to think of it, are you sure you didn't pop it out of gear and just gave it the gas down the straight to grenade it in front of her?  |
05-20-2008, 10:45 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Lonestar LS 427, Keith Craft 501,Toploader
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Keep us posted as to what exactly happened and why. Big blocks are tough engines.
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05-20-2008, 10:49 PM
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Jake, you owe me a beer, (seriously) I was in the next group and missed my track time due to cleaning up the oil.  Had a fun day though. Sorry about your engine. I like Guiness-John
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05-20-2008, 11:17 PM
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Folsom,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 623, 427 S/C Cobra. Ford FE 428 Cobra Jet, Ford Nascar TL 4speed - with a touch of raw; "less is more" theme
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Jake,
Sorry about the motor, but it's great to hear you enjoyed what you were doing when it let loose. Hopefully you can get it together without too much trouble and you'll enjoy motor version-2 even more. If it helps to know, just about everyone goes through this sooner or later and nobody typically remembers version-1 
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05-21-2008, 12:18 PM
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Location: Lakewood,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR, Carb 302
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Jake,
Sorry to hear that your engine was destroyed. Jim and I were just talking about you at lunch the other day; wondering where you have been. We missed you at the last gatherings at KK.
Both Jim and I thought that that this would be a good time for you to transition over from the Dark Side (BB) to the Enlightened Side (SB).A screaming 347 would save you about 80 lbs. up front, open up the engine bay for easier access to accessories and save some serious dollars. Jim was wondering if you really need 500+hp and 400+lbs. of torque when you only see a track once or twice a year? Of course this is from a guy who's timing is advanced 5* and who has the rev limiter set at 4,100 rpm.
Jim, seeing the glass as half empty, was also whining about not having as much area to polish with the SB but agreed to go along with this thought if I would buy lunch.
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05-21-2008, 01:20 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Puyallup Wa.,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance Cobra #1628, Coast Performance Stroker 427W Ford 520HP/535FT.TQ, Blue with white stripes
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Steve,
I did give the 347 a thought or two. The fact of the matter is that it would be quite a bit more cash to build the engine that I would like if I went that direction. I would want the same engine Jason has with injection and the next step up in cam and heads which would cost me over $10K by the time I purchased all the additional parts that I already have if I go with the 460. In the very long term it would most likely pencil as we are most likely going to see $5.00 gas in the near future  .
I do love the exhaust note of the 460 and the tractor like torque. My engine builder says he can build a Dove blocked, balanced and blue printed engine with forged pistons and I-Beam rods for about $5K. That includes rebuilding my heads and porting them so they flow a little better. I will also add a 950HP carb and some dyno time to get the numbers and brake the cam in. He says he should be able to get me 1-2 mpg better fuel economy with the new carb which will have an economy tune built in. He also says 550HP should not be a problem. That sound good to me. If I can squeeze 14 or 15 mpg out of it I will be very happy. I know that is not the low 20's that are capable of the SB's, but I just can't justify the money difference.
Jake
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05-21-2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jperickson2001
Jake, you owe me a beer, (seriously) I was in the next group and missed my track time due to cleaning up the oil. Had a fun day though. Sorry about your engine. I like Guiness-John |
John,
Sorry about the oil on the track. I really do feel bad about the loss in time on the track. I may have just saved you some money. You never can tell, your motor may have let loose or you may have crashed your car. Everything happens for a reason . I know it sucked sitting in the hot cars staging with all your gear on. For that I apologize. As for the beer....how about the 2009 WSCB  or if you head up to Puyallup I can see what I can do.
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