How Many 427 Cobras Had Webbers Injection ?

[Dan Case]

Originally Posted by Tom Kirkham

Sorry for the high jack...

Note the window on the drivers side valve cover.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/thehen...7629443348273/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thehen...7629443348273/

I have never seen any "clear" rocker arm covers for FE engines but Ford engineers had, over time, more than one version of see through covers for studying valve train movements and watching out for bad conditions like unwanted harmonics for 221/260/289/non-Boss 302 engines.

A friend had a pair of molded plastic ones he obtained from Ford long ago. They appeared to me to have been vacuum formed polycarbonate plastic to me.

[razerwire]

FUNFER2 Sorry if I mislead you. Went back to 2040 parts site and after looking more it may be a scam site, not sure. I did type in 2040 parts ford webber manifold and went down to images, far right and pulled up pictures that were interesting. Some of those pictures were used for sale ad. Anyway, sorry and would love to see pictures of your engine .

[cycleguy55]

Engine porn:

Please note that many have questions about Speedmaster's quality, but it sure does look pretty!



https://speedmaster79.com/Ford-FE-39...ystem-Polished

[66gtk]

Originally Posted by Dan Case

I have never seen any "clear" rocker arm covers for FE engines but Ford engineers had, over time, more than one version of see through covers for studying valve train movements and watching out for bad conditions like unwanted harmonics for 221/260/289/non-Boss 302 engines.

A friend had a pair of molded plastic ones he obtained from Ford long ago. They appeared to me to have been vacuum formed polycarbonate plastic to me.

Jay Brown here in MN makes them. Very cool!


https://photos.app.goo.gl/Hqt3Sp61Yz5WCo8Q8

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by Tom Kirkham

Sorry for the high jack...

Note the window on the drivers side valve cover.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/thehen...7629443348273/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thehen...7629443348273/

Pretty cool Tom.

[FUNFER2]

It's been a while.....

I realize 427 kit Cobra's have different measurements, but with a FE, how much room is between the top of the horns/filter and the hood vs a 4-barrel intake, carb and air filter ?

Different size air filters too.

[BigGuy]

These are pictures of my car CSX 4000 alum. Shelby 427with 48 IDA Webers

I’ll measure the clearance when I’m out in the garage.

[BigGuy]

Other pic of my webers

I remember the clearances were very close.

[Anthony]

The 58mm webers were mounted straight up. They have a different, wider bolt paqttern than 48IDA's. Holman moody made the intakes, and most of them were for Hi-Riser heads, lthough I have seen a couple for medium risers. Hilborn adapted a mechanical fuel injection system for the intakes.





Weber carbs put out a graph guiding the size of carb you need based upon the cylinder size and RPM's

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by dallas_

Is that the turd??

Nice photo, never seen that car without paint before.

The tilt nose would be nice for access. Wish my car did it.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Very nice.

I need to paint my throttle bodies. Their black now.
The first owner spent $800 to polished the intake.

The weber bodies were painted black in Ferraris of the late fifties at least. I like the look of the black.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

It is indeed
Changed today, thanks for the info Tom

I like the top outlet for the radiator to give downforce.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

The weber bodies were painted black in Ferraris of the late fifties at least. I like the look of the black.

Like this? SBC version:



https://speedmaster79.com/Chevy-SBC-...n-System-Black

[t walgamuth]

Yeah, though I think they had gloss paint.

[TomP]

Originally Posted by Dan Case

I don't know it this link will work, but here is an article with some very scant information on the original application for 58 DSF models....a small block Ford race only engine. The picture is one of several Ford published in the 1962 early 1963 time frame showing an aluminum push rod valvetrain engine being developed for the INDY 500.



Auto History Preservation Society - Tech Pages Article

This link has some errors. The HiPo 289 came out in spring 63. They don't mention the intake valve size increasing to 1.78" and what is up with the "The last year for the 302 4-barrel was 1970", without any mention the 69 and 70 were a Boss 302?

But has anyone ever heard of this? The 315hp 302 in 68? News to me.

"For 1968 only, a special high-performance version of the 302 was offered for the Shelby GT350. Its main features included a high-rise aluminum intake manifold, a larger Holley four-barrel carburetor, and bigger valves; 1.875" (intake) and 1.6" (exhaust). It had a longer-duration camshaft, still with hydraulic lifters. The block was a higher nickel content casting made in Mexico. "Hecho en Mexico" casting marks are present in the lifter valley, and its main strength was the appearance of much larger and stronger two-bolt main bearing caps on the engine's bottom end.
The heads had special close tolerance pushrod holes to guide the pushrods without rail rocker arms or stamped steel guide plates. The combustion chambers also featured a smaller quench design for a higher compression ratio and enhanced flow characteristics. Heavy-duty connecting rods with high strength bolts and a nodular iron crankshaft were also included in this package. It used high flow, cast iron exhaust manifolds similar to those on the 289 Hi-Po K-code engine. It was rated at 315 hp @ 6,000 rpm and 333 ft lbs of torque @ 3,800 rpm. This engine block is considered the strongest production 302 block other than the Boss 302 and the Trans Am 302. The package cost $692. It was not popular and did not return for 1969."

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

Very nice.

I need to paint my throttle bodies. Their black now.
The first owner spent $800 to polished the intake.

The webers installed on Ferraris back in the day were black.

I see this is a duplicate from some time back. Site won't let me delete it. Sorry.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by Dan Case

The Tunnel Port 302s didn't work out well for various reasons. A few never give up types eventually got them to work and last at the same time.

There were all kinds of variations of small V8s 255 to 351 c.i.d. that Ford made for some racing application or another. That does not count the Gurney-Westlake 302s that were very strong, lots of power, very versatile, and long lasting.

The HP289s were the most widely used basic platform in the perhaps the widest variety of configurations; in some forms only a team like Shelby American could get. Example: You just won’t come across four bolt main cylinder blocks and forged steel crankshafts but they were in existence without many people knowing about them. There was even a brief flirt with Single Over Head Cam HP289s.

Not every idea or every development engine was successful enough or worth the effort to continue.

I saw an interview recently of Dan Gurney where he stated that the cranks and rods were stock Ford items....I wondered about that.

My new book on the Ford Daytona coupe mentions a number of retirements of Cobras with broken cranks....leading me to ponder if there may have been some steel cranks back then.