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02-02-2022, 04:05 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
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Another big dollar Replica? CSX3063
It was suggested to take this into its own thread..... He we go!
But wait, here's another crazy dollar car.
Here is the replica to beat all replicas, $1,000,000 "buy it now" listed as a Deal Tank Item.... What?
CSX3063, It's not even in registry anymore.... and was considered a replica when in registry and still it bid $425,000?
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/d...5-shelby-cobra
Have fun with this one.... |
02-02-2022, 04:18 PM
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There is a lot of information on this car in 4th edition of The World Registry of Cobras & GT40's. I have to agree with 1985 CCX. I don't think this car should ever be considered an original Cobra. With that being said, CSX 3063 chassis probably did exist and arguably 60% might have been saved. Would that make a million dollar original Cobra? Not for my money.
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02-02-2022, 04:22 PM
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Great input.... but consider
Ghia chassis was nothing like the Cobra. The ladder frame was 96" wheelbase and then the four corners...
Later the suspension was changed out...
That left at most a ladder frame with damage, all accounts say the # was removed... Hmmm even lost.
I would say they started with more like 10%, even that was in question ...hmmm  |
02-02-2022, 04:25 PM
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Rats, now it's been removed all together.... Rats....
Try this:
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/d...-shelby-cobra/ |
02-02-2022, 05:05 PM
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Have we not at one time seen a picture of a front and rear body and the 96" wheelbase chassis at Kimmon's shop?
I have this image in the back of my mind that it is floating around the web somewhere.
Bill S.
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02-02-2022, 05:10 PM
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It's pictured in the add, note that the points at which there would be CSX# are all removed from frame, doors etc...
Last edited by 1985 CCX; 02-02-2022 at 05:13 PM..
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02-03-2022, 07:56 AM
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If these cars could talk 
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427 CSX 3000/4000 and Shelbys.
All gone ! Was a Hell of a run 
Now ... The dogs car
Mercedes E63S station wagon. 603hp
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02-03-2022, 08:23 AM
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So, the question I now have:
Are both halves of the Cobra frame ( you did realize they are not joined in the picture, right) from the same CSX number?
I ask as I usually see clean cuts like this on salvage frames only.
Bill S.
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02-03-2022, 08:32 AM
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Bill
I think that is why there is no ties no claim to the original Ghia frame from AC. It's all been hashed out and the resultant claims could not substantiate anything original nor related to CSX3063 there.
The car is considered to be a replica by SAAC and no longer in the book.
Body and rebuild was state side thus a total fab job.
Do you see this as a real car?  |
02-03-2022, 08:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1985 CCX
Do you see this as a real car? |
But, but, but, I read it on the web, so it must be true. 
Bill S.
PS: I am well aware of it's identity crisis 
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02-03-2022, 09:04 AM
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It's a great story though...
Especially the race history part.. 
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02-03-2022, 11:51 AM
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A few more pix for the curious
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02-03-2022, 12:30 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that nothing was left of the chassis that had the CSX stamped on it.
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02-03-2022, 01:19 PM
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Mine too
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02-03-2022, 02:06 PM
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Well, maybe someone was resting their CSX3063 stamp on the frame and then accidentally dropped a heavy hammer on it?
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02-03-2022, 02:13 PM
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Quote:
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Well, maybe someone was resting their CSX3063 stamp on the frame and then accidentally dropped a heavy hammer on it?
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After that portion of the frame was re-attached, yes.... |
02-03-2022, 02:24 PM
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Anything is possible Jeff, probable may be a different story. You would not be suggesting that someone would add a marking to a frame where one did not previously exist.......
How is the weather where you are at? We have only received about 4-5" so far, with snow predicted straight through tomorrow afternoon. Don't hurt yourself clearing it away. I was texting with Georgie and he said that the last snowfall dumped 30" on him.
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02-04-2022, 05:44 AM
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Amazing story to peruse while watching the snow fall....
Thanks to posts like this, I now know something about CSX3063. While certainly not everything, but enough to be disturbed by it.
Even with the pictures, which are great by the way. I still struggle to "piece" it all together - see what I did there?
Entertaining and informative. Thanks to Jeff and all here for yet another great post. |
02-04-2022, 06:18 AM
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Quote:
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Anything is possible Jeff, probable may be a different story. You would not be suggesting that someone would add a marking to a frame where one did not previously exist.......
How is the weather where you are at? We have only received about 4-5" so far, with snow predicted straight through tomorrow afternoon. Don't hurt yourself clearing it away. I was texting with Georgie and he said that the last snowfall dumped 30" on him.
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Jim,
The deeper the snow, the more traction you have in the Cobra.
This just from personal experience getting caught in an unexpected snow squall after allowing my car to be used in a club meeting back in the early 2K's while still in NJ.
Took two days for the car to defrost in the garage, took me three
Bill S.
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02-04-2022, 06:46 AM
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Teaser..........
This is what it started as, then somehow became the last S/C?
Interesting to say the least.....
Best part is that the story had already had rumors it was in Belgium getting fit to be a 427. Car went missing way back then and still made it to California to be reconstructed yet again with no #'s to substantiate claims.
Too bad the Ghia did not remain as it could have been a real piece of history.
This story reminds me of the first ElCamino 4x4 I saw, was it an ElCamino or was it a C10? If this stories logic was applied the ElCamino was really an all original C10.  |
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