bumper jacks out or in?

[pmfranke]

On the 427 s/c do the bumper jack flanges go on the out side or inside? And so the opisite is true for the 289.Yes ?

[Russ Dickey]

Your are correct. Inside for 289's, outside for 427's.

The first 289 cars had the quick jacks turned in, but I've seen pictures of a few of them turned out (I assume because the jack stand would hit the oil cooler scoop). But for the most part 289's face in.

They were turned out on all 427's due to the larger grille opening.

[SkipB]

Russ,

Thanks for a definitive reply on this. I have asked this before and got different answers from several people. Your answer makes more sense than the others. So, I feel better now about mine faciing out. I have had a couple of guys tell me they should be facing in. I haven't lost a lot of sleep over this, but I did wonder what was right.

SkipB

[xlr8or]

The debate continues on the whether you should have your nuts out or nuts in. I have seen pics of original CSX3xxx cars with them in both configurations. Do what you think looks best. Personally I prefer having my nuts in.

[grumpy]

xlr8or,
You are correct, there were private teams or slow mechanics that utilized the "old" 289 jack levers that did not clear the nose of the newer 427 design.
The team jack levers clearly, were modified for the new AC MKIII nose, but, there are those that will use anything to support arguing about any thing, forgetting a simple rule, these things were thought out by the SAI Team Managers and Mechanics. Our new generation of thinkers and some of the older fellas like to resolve we still rode horses to the races and didn't think of those things.
grumpy

[*13*]

In

[kris-kincaid]

Here is an August 1965 Ford article showing a very early 427 car and how they jacks were mounted:

http://www.ffcobra.com/magazine/fordtimes_1965.html

[grumpy]

*13*,
Just came in from watering the grass at the shops, boy, did you finish up that ERA2088 to look like a FIA/USRRC 289 race COBRA of the 60's, YOU BET the jacks are correct on your car.
grumpy

[JCoop]

Originally Posted by xlr8or

The debate continues on the whether you should have your nuts out or nuts in. ... Personally I prefer having my nuts in.

Under cover of darkness, I have seen nuts out...
as these were used to mount brackets to hold auxilliary driving lamps during night races; positioning the Lucas 500s somewhere between the headlights and the signal lamps.

[Byots]

nm .

[*13*]

Originally Posted by grumpy

*13*,
Just came in from watering the grass at the shops, boy, did you finish up that ERA2088 to look like a FIA/USRRC 289 race COBRA of the 60's, YOU BET the jacks are correct on your car.
grumpy

Thank You! She's dirty n nasty just like I like her

[Power Surge]

Ah, the never ending debate...

It should be noted, that there are actually three different questions that people percive from the single quickjack question...

1- Do the quickjack HOOKS face in or out. In other words, do they point towards, or away from the body.

2- Do you put the nuts in or out, part 1. Do the nuts get exposed visually on the outside of the car, or do they go on the inside of the car, leaving the bolt heads exposed on the outside.

3- Do you put the nuts in or out, part 2. Do the nuts go on the inside of the quickjack lip, meaing the verticle jack hook is towards the outside of the car, or do the nuts go on the outside, where the jack hook upright faces the grille opening.

Here are "my" answers to these questions, based on what I've learned..

1- I feel the hooks should face out. I don't see any reason they should face in, from any mechanical standpoint. Facing them out, gives more clearance for the bar across the body and makes it visually easier to slip the bar in. The only reason I can see for putting them facing in, is maybe the guys at Shelby were smacking their shins on them and decided to try them that way.

2- This one is kind of a no brainer. Nuts are always exposed. There are no bolt heads, original jacks were mounted with threaded rod, so they had nuts on both sides .

3- This one is always a hot debate. But after reading everything people have to say about it, I have to agree with Ron (computerworks) in that there literally was NO right or wrong way. They were just installed on each car randomly, and matched to however they were put on.

[pmfranke]

thank's ,I remain totally informed and confused and as allways we just do what ever we want.

[Bud Man]

Refer to page 101 in Legates "Cobra The Real Thing" and you will see a photo of the cars as they proceeded down the AC assembly line, with the three cars in the foreground all with front QJ's "bolts out". Additionally, the mounting bolts were threads forward with English style metal lock nuts (Whitworth pattern, by the way) facing out. As an aside, this single photo should also put to rest all the BS about the rear flares being different from car to car, whether the inlet was elliptical, etc. (Kirkham's own bodies are wrong on the nose inlets, with the bottom being too flat). Despite all that has been said about the inconsistent workmanship of the originals, the cars in this particular photo look pretty consistent to me. These cars were subjected to all types of usage during their early lives, and repairs were made. Some were done properly, some not; hence the variations.

Bud

[*13*]

If your relicating a certain car I would do as was done. If not, do what suits you Seems like just about every configuration was utilized.

[Slow Dawg]

Peter, install overriders?

[ROUSHAC]

Go with what *13* says.

I've seen lots of pics and cars both ways (both original and continuation Shelby's). If "Old CS" can't be consistent, why should we be any different?

Cheers!
Dave

[Dominik]

good day,

maybe it's best just to mount them in a way that you can lift the car quickly with the jack in question - if you have one!

to do so I feel that the longer ends of the (down pointing) quick jacks should be in. Just simulate the motion.

And, as said ealier, you need the jack to clear the body. So your old one from your racing 289 might not work ;-)

cheers,

dominik

Nick, did you get my mail?

[Rick Parker]

I believe a true gentleman in the new millenium would never expose HIS nuts from the front OR the side, whether it was dark OR light! Now in the 60's anything could have happened.