Oil Cooler Fittings

[JGC]

What is correct for the oil cooler fiitings on a 1965 S/C? I have seen blue 90 degree fittings stated as original, but don't recall anodized fittings from the sixties. I have also seen 90 degree bends crimped to the oil lines/ hose.

Thanks for any input or pictures,


JGC

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by JGC

What is correct for the oil cooler fiitings on a 1965 S/C? I have seen blue 90 degree fittings stated as original, but don't recall anodized fittings from the sixties. I have also seen 90 degree bends crimped to the oil lines/ hose.

Thanks for any input or pictures,


JGC

Well, first off, it would be a 66 S/C, not a 65.

As for correct oil cooler line setup, take a look at my car, as it's about as close to correct as you'll get on the oil lines.

[lineslinger]

Hope this helps

[kris-kincaid]

On the FFCobra website there are some photos of CSX2287, the first coupe. It shows a blue oil cooler fitting installed. My guess is they found whatever fittings where available to use back then, and that just happened to be blue. Just a theory, though.

[JGC]

Thanks for the info and your car looks great.


JGC

[RodgerH]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Well, first off, it would be a 66 S/C, not a 65.

Ok,time for history class...and the stupid questions.

I too thought the 427 S/C was introduced in 1965. Was it really not available until 1966?

Rodger

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by RodgerH

Ok,time for history class...and the stupid questions.

I too thought the 427 S/C was introduced in 1965. Was it really not available until 1966?

Rodger

The 427 COMP cars were introduced in 1965...the first ones were sold in March 1965.

The S/C configuration was dreamed up to get rid of all the unsold Comp cars that remained after the 1965 season.

A little refitting and the 427 S/C was offered for sale, first one sold in January 1966.

[RodgerH]

Originally Posted by computerworks

The 427 COMP cars were introduced in 1965...the first ones were sold in March 1965.

The S/C configuration was dreamed up to get rid of all the unsold Comp cars that remained after the 1965 season.

A little refitting and the 427 S/C was offered for sale, first one sold in January 1966.

Thanks! I remember reading S/C meant Street/Competition? Was the 427 S/C only sold in 1966? How many? Was there also a 289 S/C?

Rodger

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by RodgerH

Thanks! I remember reading S/C meant Street/Competition? Was the 427 S/C only sold in 1966? How many? Was there also a 289 S/C?

Never a 289S/C.

Literature refers to S/C as both Street/Competition and Semi/Competition.

The S/Cs were sold until they (the leftover Comp cars) were all gone... they trickled out through 1967. About 30 cars were configured as S/Cs

[RodgerH]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Never a 289S/C.

Literature refers to S/C as both Street/Competition and Semi/Competition.

The S/Cs were sold until they (the leftover Comp cars) were all gone... they trickled out through 1967. About 30 cars were configured as S/Cs

Wow...only 30. I first saw an original 427 S/C back in 1966. It was white and and I thought it was absolutely the "coolest" car. 40 years later and I still do! I was in high school then and working part time in a gas station (the start of a lifetime of greasy fingernails and gearhead projects). Never thought I'd ever be able to own a Cobra. But life has blessings, and now with our two girls through college, our life is settled and it's time to play....and our new Superformance is my toy of choice!

I just recently joined this club and I must say it seems to be a great group of people..and definitely a great source of info.

Happy to be here!
Rodger

[computerworks]

Welcome, Rodger.... enjoy the car and enjoy our club, as well.

Originally Posted by RodgerH

I first saw an original 427 S/C back in 1966. It was white ... I was in high school then and working part time in a gas station

Just curious...Could I ask where this was? I think there were only 2 original white S/Cs.

[RodgerH]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Welcome, Rodger.... enjoy the car and enjoy our club, as well.



Just curious...Could I ask where this was? I think there were only 2 original white S/Cs.

It was here in Charleston, WV, where I still live. At the time, the car was owned by a guy named Haynes who owned a paving company. He had added twin turbos and it was a beast. I haven't seen the car in years. I understand he moved away from the area several years ago. I'm curious if he still owns it, and where the car is now.

[Power Surge]

3025 was originally white, but it lived in CA, so not likely it was that one.

3028 was white also, but was used by Jack Hunt until 1969, so not likely that one either.

Looks like the car you are talking about is a late street car, #3331. Sold to Jim Haynes in WV in 1969 (not 66). Registry show the car had a 427 SOHC installed into it with twin turbos!!

[computerworks]

Thanks, Sal...that's what I would have expected

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Registry show the car had a 427 SOHC installed into it with twin turbos!!

uhh...wow.

I have nothing on file for CSX3331

[Manowar]

Original 90 deg fittings were either steel or nickel plated, crimped onto the hose (like hydraulic hose lines for heavy equipment), which was black fabric type (possibly Aeroquip) and dash 12.
Bill Guenstler of Az used to sell it and may still.

[RodgerH]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Sold to Jim Haynes in WV in 1969 (not 66).

Ok,ok, so I missed it by 3 years. Hey....that was nearly 40 years ago! Guess I was in college instead of high school, but I still remember the car was so cool!

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by Manowar

Original 90 deg fittings were either steel or nickel plated, crimped onto the hose (like hydraulic hose lines for heavy equipment), which was black fabric type (possibly Aeroquip) and dash 12.
Bill Guenstler of Az used to sell it and may still.

Sorry, that's not correct.

[Manowar]

Sal
Don't be sorry! I can stand corrected-if I'm truly mistaken.
Please amplify what I've got wrong-fitting type and finish? Hose type? Hose size? Please reveal the source of your reference.
I based my post on seeing Hal Keck's 3008 at Charlotte in 1991 with the above (I have a snapshot) and the fact that based on seeing that car, I ordered from Guenstler the hose and fittings before realizing my cooler was -10 male and he sent -12. (Which 3008 was). He also very kindly let me return it with no restocking fee.
So I was mistaken then and I could be now-just show me where you did your research.
Thanks,

[kris-kincaid]

I imagine that by 1991 that 3008 had been redone 3008 times.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by Manowar

Sal
Don't be sorry! I can stand corrected-if I'm truly mistaken.
Please amplify what I've got wrong-fitting type and finish? Hose type? Hose size? Please reveal the source of your reference.
I based my post on seeing Hal Keck's 3008 at Charlotte in 1991 with the above (I have a snapshot) and the fact that based on seeing that car, I ordered from Guenstler the hose and fittings before realizing my cooler was -10 male and he sent -12. (Which 3008 was). He also very kindly let me return it with no restocking fee.
So I was mistaken then and I could be now-just show me where you did your research.
Thanks,

The setup shown on the picture I posted of my car, is correct. The oil cooler is female pipe thread. Then a blue hard 90, pipe into the cooler, and -12 on the hose side. Coming off that, it's an AN style screw together fitting. The flats of the fitting are completely flat, as opposed to what some restorers use on these cars, where the wrench flats have a rounded edge to them. Then the hose socket is short, with the small neck and sharp transision to the neck, just like in my pic, as opposed to the long tapered socket that some people use. The fitting is actually a -12 to -10 "jump" fitting. The nut site is -12 and the socket side is -10, but it takes an odd hose that's kind of in between the two.

I spent A LOT of time into the research of this, talking to many people who are knowledgable in this stuff. Some are fellow board members here, some are original car owners. I also have great reference pics of lots of original cars.

The hardest part of finding the truth behind the correctness of these cars, is that most of them have been modified over the years. Even cars that are touted as very original, have had most of the important detail parts changed over the years. Comp cars especially are usually VERY altered from as they came from Shelby, even if it's just from routine racing replacements of stock parts.

BTW, we are putting together a new motor for my brother's Mustang, and using a ManOWar block. This thing is insane. The only thing that sucks is making the oil pan fit the mains in the rear!