Want to be different? 1000+hp twin turbo V6 motor....

750hp · #1 (**permalink**) 05-03-2002, 07:53 AM

Here's one out of left field - a Ryan Falconer built V6 Chev with RFRE ported 18 degree alum heads, billet crank, Carillo rods, JE pistons, inconel & titanium valves, cast alum sump with integral mains, billet front drive plate and mounts, roller camshaft, Cosworth Engineering slimline oil and water pump, twin Garrett turbos, Kinsler intake, Motec M8 management system with expanded dataloging capability, exhaust, dry sump tank, spare turbo, etc.

This motor cost Opel $40,000 to buy from Ryan Falconer Racing Engines. They sold this unused short block for $25,000. Ryan then fitted his modified 18 degree heads complete with his own stainless rocker arms, Kinsler injection manifold and Motec M8 computer. First time on the dyno with the smaller exhaust housings, the motor made 893hp and 639lb/ft. The larger exhaust housings allow this motor to make around the 1100hp mark on alcohol.

Summit Motorsports in Brisbane, Australia paid RFRE $25K for the basic motor, then spent a further $30,000- on extras. The turbos are worth $3,300 each, and there's an unused spare included. The Cosworth pump cost $9,000!!!! The exhaust system was $5,500-, then the Motec, dry sump tank, a couple of thousand dollars for all the braided hose and fittings, then the (not inconsiderable) labour charge for Ryan's services.....

This was fitted into a racecar for ONE DAY in the States to verify the working order of the motor after the dyno runs, and to gain some dataloging in "real world" conditions. All of this datalogging is available for any interested parties. The motor was then shipped to Australia and fitted into a racecar. After overpowering the chassis and generally being frowned upon for lifting the stakes too high, the style of engine was "actively discouraged" from competing in any further series and has sat in the corner of a race shop under covers since.

The motor is offered for a total price of $30,000 which includes all the spares. Unless you want to blow the Run and Gun guys out of the water, I wouldn't expect this motor is destined for a Cobra

I imagine some of you guys would also dabble in some dedicated roadrace cars, and this might just be the ticket to the winners circle!

I can email photos of the motor, along with copies of Ryan Falconer's correspondence. This generally was along the lines of "your money's run out - send some more....."

The motor is owned by the guy that built my chassis. He can answer any questions via my email : cobraracer@yahoo.com

Mike Braddock · #2 (**permalink**) 05-03-2002, 08:06 AM

Craig,

You have once again blown me away with another technological wonder

. What a piece of work. Out of curiosity, what type of racecar did your chassis builder have the motor in?

Mike

750hp · #3 (**permalink**) 05-03-2002, 08:25 AM

Mike, it was a scary combination that many Cobra owners could relate to..... High horsepower in a really short wheelbase!

It went into a Sprint Car chassis

Too much power..... the datalogging showed that the driver never went over 85% throttle!

I was just looking through the invoices for the motor, and it actually ended up at a touch over $70,000 for everything..... Ryan Falconer charged nearly $15,000 in labour and dyno charges

BT SNAKE · #4 (**permalink**) 05-03-2002, 09:05 AM

Hey Craig,
I hope that was Australian dollars.
Would that thing fit in a GT40 ?

Hersh

Tommy · #5 (**permalink**) 05-03-2002, 09:39 AM

The photo of that very impressive engine setup reminds me of the story of the invention of the jet engine. While working on a turbocharged aircraft engine, an engineer observing the array of exhaust turbines spinning the array of intake fans apparently had the thought, "Why do we need that internal combustion engine in the middle?" He then designed an engine consisting of nothing but turbine fans driving compressor fans with a place in the middle for the fuel and air to be mixed and burned - the first jet engine. . . . I'd say this engine is about 50/50 internal combustion and jet turbine. I'll bet it sure sounds cool.

Jeff Frigo · #6 (**permalink**) 05-03-2002, 04:31 PM

Don't think it will fit.

750hp · #7 (**permalink**) 05-04-2002, 03:10 AM

Believe it or not, that statement was in US dollars.....

Hersh - we can make anything fit!!!!

If money were no object, I'd put it into something like a GT40 or Ultima. The only downside to putting it in a rear engined car is the need for a massively expensive Hewland or Quaife transaxle....

One more thing, the motor will be shipped anywhere in the world as part of the $30,000-USD pricetag. I saw boxes and boxes of spare parts that go with the motor, but I didn't have a camera with me today. All sorts of dry sump spares, filters, oil tank, full exhaust with mufflers, sensors, pumps, other stuff that I didn't even recognise... I hope whoever buys this motor can use the exhaust. It is simply a work of art. The welds are beautiful, and I'm pretty surprised at how long the primary pipes are....

Jeff Frigo · #8 (**permalink**) 05-04-2002, 03:27 AM

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750hp · #9 (**permalink**) 05-04-2002, 04:00 AM

Jeff,
Its amazing how it's possible to produce power in such vastly different ways.....
215 cubes, less than 10:1 compression with turbos, a computer and all it's associated datalogging and engine protection parameters, or
600 cubes, two carbs, 14:1 compression and a wet sump!

I love both approaches!!!!

Nothing beats the sound of a really big cube motor with massive compression, whether it's loping its way through the drag strip pits or screaming at 7000+ down the strip. Then again, I like technology that enables a 215 cube motor to make similar power as the Mountain Motor while being able to be driven on the street with some degree of practicality. If race gas isn't available, you simply dial back the boost and run dirty old pump gas on an alternate fuel/ignition table.

Reher Morrison make some of the best big block Chev motors on the dragstrip. Shame to see that cancer broke up the winning partnership a while back.

Would I personally go for cubes or technology? My own motor is a reasonable sized stroked small block with a blower and EFI, so I have a finger in both pies

justa6 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-11-2002, 10:42 PM

Guys have you ever heard of Kenny Dutweiler from California? He's the guy that takes a Buick V6 Twin Turbo out to 1500 hp. No kidding I've seen him run. Not to mention that the Buick V6 ran at Indy under the name Menard (McLaren) was the Engine builder and at 188 cubic inches the motor put out 900 HP. I believe it still holds the 3 lap record at Indy at around 235. Look at "my photo gallery" and you'll see the same motor normally aspirated. 473 HP out of 4.5 liters no "power adder".

Regards,