New never assymblied 1967 Nascar 427 - Page 6

John 550 · #**101** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:04 PM

Just some thoughts about this topic

Although the nascar crank and rods was made for a sustained
7000-9000 rpms . I would think with would not be necessary .
I would think if I wanted to have ''special'' bearings made or
have the "wider crank "changed to accomadate standered bearings :
I would think think that would be possible . Other than that the block is
standered size .

P.S. Common sense are not common .

super_kit_car · #**102** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:32 PM

my thinking is that this is one of the last available engines of this type. to my knowledge there are very few new 427s around. sure you have shelby's new motor that sells for $ 26,000. and what motor, a true work of art. you can punch it up to over 1200hp. I had planned on building a blown 700 cu. in. big block. but I'm over 50 now, and don't know if my heart could take it. (LOL) but I think 1200 will do. we have some mid 7 second chevy street cars around here and I talk a lot of junk. have to build a ford that will shut their mouths. I remember as a teenager, maybe 14 or so. My first ride in 427 63 1\2 galaxy xl . the driver, who happens to be my present business partner, had a unique way of shifting gears. when he shifted, he would slide his clutch foot to the side and let the pedal pop back up on it's own. I thought the dash board was going to come out. but the best part, aaahhhhhh the scream of that 427, can still hear it from 1963. saying all that, I think I will build a high horsepower 427. it will be nice to say it's only a 427 Ford, before I blow their doors off. I will get some numbers off the rods been busy here, have to take everything off the motor and spin it see what other numbers I can find, without turning crank.

SCOBRAC · #**103** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:35 PM

I have seen the photo's this guy has (and doesn't have) I must say the cream colored pleather seats in a ferrari red car are a touch I wouldn't have thought up.. I am indeed not worthy...

As for the magical mystery engine I have asked for pics here in the forum as well as by e-mail. None have been presented. You may draw your own conclusions. I refer you to my earlier comment... I have offered to pay up front... Again draw your own conclusions.

SCOBRAC · #**104** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:37 PM

1200 hp.. is that in metric or dog years?

SCOBRAC · #**105** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:39 PM

You would indeed need those dual 850 double pumpers those guys over at ffr.com are using.. I am indeed not worthy.

SCOBRAC · #**106** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:41 PM

If you were 14 in 1963 you would be 54 now... so I'm guessing you aren't much good at 'cyferin either?

SCOBRAC · #**107** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:45 PM

This is like shooting at my nighbors dog... The one tied up on his back porch that barks all night. It's too easy. I could stay and do it but it is only costing me wrenching time and will only get me in trouble... I'm out. NEXT

avanti-176 · #**108** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 08:50 PM

Not standing up for him but he did say...
"14 or so"

Have a good one,
Dan

super_kit_car · #**109** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 09:00 PM

I will post the pictures I have of the engine in my gallery. will take more shortly, have other pressing issues. also posted is my 472 cu. in. tunnel ram prostreet mustang motor.

super_kit_car · #**110** (**permalink**) 07-02-2003, 10:20 PM

avanti, scobrac, enough of the pun's okay. you guy's act like a bunch of teens. Pleather or not, it's still one sharp cobra, when I won the trophies, they didn't say nice pleather. it I wanted to, I could pick both of your cars apart and you two also. I am a very positive person and don't hang around loser's. for your information I am 51, hope you make it that far. in my experience I have found that people of low esteem tend to down others that they might feel exalted. I would hope that is not the case. you asked for pictures of the engine I posted them. you asked for part numbers, I posted them also. some didn't believe I had a cobra and a lambo kit, I posted that also. I did not come here to brag or I would have posted pictures of my car when I first became a member about a week ago. but after all the accusations and being called a liar, I posted my stuff. I build my own motors and do most mods to the cars. My cobra is original, you will not see one like it, and it's not really finished. I would consider it 80% finished.other mods like custom rollbars you have yet to see and how about a air dam kit for the cobra and other things that none of you have seen before. the car you see would be considered stage two of three stages. I make all my own custom parts. just like my front stone guards no other cobra has them and I think they add a little class to the car and they are my design. by the way building cobras and hod rods is only my hobbie, not my main source of income and if I chose to, could make a lot of money building custom cobras, I think I have a little talent. maybe my next cobra I will put real leather a real tough chore, I thought it was just a little easier to use the seats that came with my kit. Oh by the way the cobra is my first kit car build.

Woodz428 · #**111** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 06:46 AM

I'm new here, but this guy seems fishy to me too. The head #'s he gave were for late high riser heads, but talks with a complete lack of knowledge in almost all other realms of Ford performance history. Then he claims that the Classic Cobra kit is one of the best, talk about bi-polar. I'm curious as to why some of you feel he's from ffr.com? Maybe I didn't see the clues.

PatBuckley · #**112** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 06:52 AM

Super Kit Car

Thanks for posting and good luck with the sale of your engine!

super_kit_car · #**113** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 07:52 AM

what's fishy woodz, you have a picture of the actual engine, I've listed some part #s and pictures of my car, what's the prob ? if it were not for some of the nicer and more respectful members that are professionals in here, I would not come back. I don't have to tolerate the slander. none of you put any money in my pocket, so do you think I really care ? I think I have been very accomidating in responding to the request. I will not become negative and stoop to your level, don't need you for anything, been doing fine so far without your help. in the future I will not respond to the negative commits. I have given you proof to back up my statements, what more do you want ? if you have nothing better to do than criticize others, then go take a walk on the freeway blindfolded, do the world a favor, and especially club cobra. sorry to all other members don't mean to cause confusion, but these guys are the worst, need to be booted. they really have a way of welcoming newbies.

Cracker · #**114** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 08:10 AM

Super Kit Car

427 SO engines for sale are all scrutinized and with good reason. Claims by owners owning standard bore blocks or "virgins" according to you (now come to think of it you did say it was long block which would mean it has pistons which means it has been screwed eight times - at least) have been made erroneously - not always intentionally. But the mere thought of spending 25K on an engine that I have not seen any proof of and yes I did email you for pics and saw your other toys but NO pictures of the items in questions makes people skeptical. I have read threads (James Baldwin’s) that clearly state a clear case of scandalous activity more than once and mostly with high end engines. I am not calling you anything that’s been mentioned before but you should expect some criticism - at least on this site. Best of luck - sincerely!

Tony Hull
Cracker on CC

jayhawk261 · #**115** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 08:34 AM

I don't pretend to know anything about FE engines. I am great on windsors, but that's about it. I will, however, interject my opinion on this subject.

As you know, at least by not knowing who I am, I am pretty new to the forum. I was welcomed by people at face value. super-kit-car came in to the forum and simply by offering an item for sale has been blasted up one side and down the other. His engine may or may not be what he says it is. His asking price may be reasonable or it may be outrageous. I can neither verify nor discredit either. What I can say is that, in my opinion, he has stood the test of time for his offering. If this was a deliberate attempt to defraud someone here at the forum, he would have realized that the people here are skeptical at a minimum and highly knowledgeable to boot. If he didn't believe what he was saying was accurate, he would have skated long before he made as many posts defending his position as he has. A scammer has many opportunities to scam. If he sees one isn't working, he'll move on to the next. Time spent with people in the know is time wasted to a con-man.

Like I said, I don't know if the stuff is real or not. I do think that he honestly believes he has what he says he has. That, in the end, is what counts towards his credibility.

My $.02 - Randy

super_kit_car · #**116** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 09:19 AM

again, I have posted a picture of the engine in my gallery. I have a couple more that I have to resize in order to upload. I will get more numbers off the engine shortly. I also am going to take new close-ups. didn't take many pictures of the engine earlier. the ones I have, I just happened to take while I was taking pictures of my cobra and mustang build. I assure you, it is a new nascar 427, I am still trying to get the original paperwork, but it's been 37 years, not an easy chore, but I will get all the internal numbers I can without turning crank. the engine has never been turned and is exactly the way it cam from ford in 1966.

avanti-176 · #**117** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 09:40 AM

Super kit car,

1. nowhere have I posted any PUNS

2. On my last post I was actually on your side.

3.My first post was just a smartassed way to get you to check your spelling. I know when I get going fast I mispell stuff all the time but I try to check. If a little ballbusting bothers you then you probably won't like it here it goes on an awful lot.

4. My second post was just to point out the fact that if someone wants me to pay $25,000 of my money for car ENGINE
a posted picture does not constitute PROOF. which is the word you keep tossing around. Not saying you are lying just saying that proof is a pretty strong word.

5. There are a few guys in here that have designated themselves the TROLL police. It is pretty easy to tell who they are. They serve a perfectly legitimate function and will browbeat you until they are satisfied that you are who you represent yourself to be.Then they will be the first to apologise for the unpleasentness.Most everyone here is good people.
If you do some research on the site you will find that anyone whose first post is asking for money (especially $25,000) will be met with immediate speculation as to who they are and what they are after.

6. since you can...would you please tell me everything that is wrong with myself and my car so that I can rectifiy the problems ASAP

7. As for your car being "ORIGINAL".........where is Evan?

Good luck with the sale.
Dan

p.s. a 37 year old engine that has never had its crank turned is not necessarily a good thing.

Excaliber · #**118** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 09:49 AM

Some have taken "cheap shots" at super kit car, others have raised valid concerns. The very nature of the thread lends itself to controversy at best.

One thing is for sure:
This is NOT the first 427 S.O. offered for sale around here. And NOT the first 427 S.O. engine to be analyzed from every possible angle. And there HAVE BEEN some engines offered for sale that (in my opinion) were NOT what they were claimed to be.

ANYBODY offering a 427 S.O. for sale should expect some close scrutiny mixed with a healthy dose of "skepticism". It just comes with the territory, these are valuable engines and important to the nature of the "Cobra Clan".

A new or senior user making such claims would be "challenged" in much the same way. Aint the first time, won't be the last!

EDIT:
RECENTLY there was a thread about the 427 Alloy Shelby engine offered for sale on e-bay. As that thread developed it became clear this guy was a complete fraud. He was eventually banned from e-bay, and many were calling for his arrest and prosecution. I can think of a senior member that is not all "that welcome" around here anymore for making "unsubstantiated claims" concerning 427 S.O.'s for sale.

I DO believe super kit car is sincere and he makes a STRONG case for his motor being what he says it is. Which is a breath of fresh air after some of the "so called" 427 S.O.'s we've seen for sale around here in the past!

Ernie

Cracker · #**119** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 09:56 AM

You mention it was a "new, never assembled NASCAR engine and that the engine has never been turned over. The picture I now believe you are speaking of is completely assembled and visually shows signs of at the very least being turned over. I'm really done this time. I mean it.

Tony Hull
Cracker

dscott · #**120** (**permalink**) 07-03-2003, 10:03 AM

Woodz, I take it very personal when someone starts to bash a car on their first post. Did you know there are over 1200 Classic Roadsters Cobras sold since the early 90's, of which I have built about 75. Your comment about Classic is unwarranted and offends every Classic owner. I myself believe the Classic is one of the best. People buy different cars for different reasons. The Classic is not true to the original but I've never driven one on the street that drives as nice or is as comfortable. I'm sure there are others that perform better and maybe even ride better. That doesn't allow me to bash others. I like all Cobras, and every owner has his or her own reasons for buying what they like. I didn't notice what brand of Cobra you own. I would suggest you keep your comments to yourself. Don't bash something I'm sure you know nothing about.
Don