Granada Front Suspenion & Brakes

DAVID GAGNARD · #1 (**permalink**) 03-01-2004, 03:32 PM

It probably will not fit any Cobra out there,but is a bolt-on item for the 65/66/67 Mustang.... If you want to go from drum brakes to disc brakes,this is the easiest and least expensive set-up....

What I have is;
1978 Ford Granada front spindles (bead blasted & painted) complete with dust shields/bearings/dust cover..
Rebuilt calipers (about 500 miles on them,also painted)
New rotors/11" in diameter (less than 500 miles on them)
One set of brake pads (put on with the rotors)
One set of brake pads (new in box,never used)

I have taken this set-up off my 65 Fastback in favor of a road racing set-up...I have been running this set-up on my car since 1996 and have had no trouble with it....Just recently put the new rotors and rebuilt calipers and new brake shoes on....

I'd like to get $250.00 plus shipping (rotors & calipers cost me 200 bucks alone) and can deliver most anyplace in the state of Louisiana or at least meet someone half-way if needed....

David

FUNFER2 · #2 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 05:54 AM

Are the rotors vented/drilled ?
Thanks

DAVID GAGNARD · #3 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 11:40 AM

Kevin;

The rotors are vented,but not drilled.... My prevouis pair of rotors were drilled..... One day about 60 miles from home,the right front caliper decided to stick on me..... I was in the middle of nowhere and had only a few simple hand tools.... Tried everything I could and finally got it to where I could drive home.... Naturally hot as it got the rotor cracked,right between to of the drilled holes.....That's when I put two new rotors/calipers/brake shoes on,about 500 miles ago....

I know people will disagree with my next statement,but here goes; when researching brakes/rotors/calipers,I contacted three of the largest makers of aftermarket calipers and rotors,talked to the tech people about what I was looking for and got their advise.....Two out of the three said the same thing to me about drilled/slotted rotors;they are for show,they actually do two things;1.make you rotors and make your brakes pads wear out quicker....2.they do not help your car stop in any shorter distance and the extra heat disappation is very minimal............This is from their own tech department................

BTW; the rotors are 11" diameter.........

David

blykins · #4 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 09:04 PM

David, would you consider selling the spindles alone? I'm looking for a set...

MAXVELO · #5 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 10:31 PM

I have a set of drilled slotted Granada rotors. I paid $240.00 for them. They are brand new unused. Ill take $150+shipping.

DAVID GAGNARD · #6 (**permalink**) 03-07-2004, 05:35 AM

Blykins;

Yes,I guess I could sell you the spindles,not sure what they are worth though,make me an offer.........

David

trularin · #7 (**permalink**) 03-07-2004, 07:18 AM

David, the use of drilled and slotted rotors, as I was told by a brake engineer, is for high speed road racing where the gases from the pads is allowed to escape through the holes. The slots are/were added to improve the friction cooefficient.

In a recent race I watched a car came off the trace and the brake rotor was cherry red. The braking system needed all the help it could get.

For us road warriors, drilled and slotted may be just for show, but there are people on this forum who race and probably need the help of drilled and slotted rotors.

What did you end up with on those rears?

DAVID GAGNARD · #8 (**permalink**) 03-07-2004, 09:00 AM

Trularin;

I'm using stock Lincoln Versailles rear disc brakes,they work well for me both on the street and the road course,my rotors on the rear are drilled....For the road course I switch to Porterfield pads,great for road racing,not good for the street....

I agree,for all out road racing the drilled/slotted rotors are probably better.... At a recent Vintage Auto road race in Texas using a 2.1 mile road course I noticed most of the Vintage Mustangs were not using drilled or slotted rotors.... Talked to a couple of guys and they said they found no real advantage.... They do make good use of brake cooling ducts though.... They duct the air to the center of the inside of the rotor pushing the air and heat out the vanes,with the curved vanes in the center the ducting increases the air circulation created by the vanes...

For my own use,I did not see any real advantage when I ran drilled rotors over "stock" rotors,but I do not run my car as hard as others either....I believe for street use you would not get your rotors/pads hot enough to see the advantage of drilled/slotted rotors,hence the "show/wow" factor... At the few car shows I attend,people are always looking at the rear disc brakes and say how "cool" the rear drilled rotors are.......

My new front set-up uses 12" aftermarket rotors bolted to the "hat",this set-up is very popular with the Vintage racing crowd and almost none use drilled/slotted rotors with this set-up....I'm not a brake expert by any stretch,but have looked at many different set-ups before changing mine and talked to a bunch of the front runners to see what they were using and this was their choice.....A few told me they quit using drilled rotors because they found they cracked more often and easier than non-drilled rotors...

David

FUNFER2 · #9 (**permalink**) 03-09-2004, 04:38 AM

Maxvelo- I'm interested in your rotors. Please e-mail me.
Thank you

C-J · #10 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 04:51 AM

Do you have any pics of these parts?
Thanks.

C-J

MAXVELO · #11 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 08:20 AM

C-J, Whao are you asking? my Rotors are pictured in my previous post.
Gary

blykins · #12 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 08:47 AM

David, you got mail.

C-J · #13 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 09:01 AM

Question of pics was directed to thread originator,
David.
Sorry for the confusion.

C-J

blykins · #14 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 09:32 AM

David....something has come to my attention....Granada spindles are not the same as Mustang II spindles....in that case, I don't think I could use the ones you have....Sorry for my stupidity.

tcolley1 · #15 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 09:33 AM

When we were racing my 65 Monte Carlo Falcon in vintage races we used the Granada brake set up in the front and the Versailles disk set up in the rear.

Neither were cross drilled or slotted and we used the Performance Friction pads from AutoZone.

The brakes worked great and we never had an over heating problem with either end at TWS. As a matter of fact we had trouble getting the brakes hot enough on this course.

Also we did not need to duct the fronts or rears with this setup at TWS. Now for shorter courses you might need to duct the brakes for better cooling.

We were able to run two (2) seasons on the same brake pads and they were still good.

Just our experience with this set up.

Terry

DAVID GAGNARD · #16 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 12:53 PM

Terry;

Do you still run TWS????? Plan to build a Vinatge racer (65/66) Mustang for track use only and run there (TWS) hopefully next year with CVAR,that is if they give me a license.....Have a couple of friends here in Louisiana that run there,one runs an original 65 GT-350.......Right now I have switched to the 65 Lincoln front brakes with the 12" rotors and run Versailles in the rear,for CVAR in my class (A-Sedan),I can not run the Versailles stuff in the rear,only brakes made before 1972,will run the Kelsey-Hayes front calipers in the rear with the front rotors (less hub) CVAR legal in my class....

Since 1996 I have been running Granada fronts and Versaille rears and stock Performance Friction pads from Auto Zone like you did and have had very good luck,this set-up has worked very well,also bought lifetime warranty pads,only have to buy one set,all four rotors were drilled.... My new 12" rotors are not drilled and I do not think I'll use drilled rotors again,I can not tell any difference in the rotors (drilled vs. non-drilled),but have had drilled rotors crack whereas never have had a non-drilled rotor crack...yet...

C-J; I'll email you pics today,someone has already asked for the stuff and will let me know one way or the other friday,can let you know something then.......

David